Regarding the per-route ecn_low feature in BBRv3: https://github.com/google/bbr/blob/v3/README.md#introducing-the-ecn_low-per-route-feature When set, any incoming CE marks from an ecn_low flagged route will be treated as an L4S/RFC9331 CE, while CE marks from routes without that flag will be treated as a regular RFC3168 CE. Obviously this is problematic, as the two CE marks mean very different things, and outside of closed environments, there's no reliable way to know which type of CE you're receiving. The consequences of confusing them range from massive self-induced bloat, to driving competing traffic in the same queue down to minimum cwnd. The solution here is to just punt, so at least tests and demos can be made to work. This isn't a problem with BBR. The problem is, we've started an experiment [RFC9331] that redefines the meaning of CE in a way that's incompatible with existing RFC3168 middleboxes. This feature in BBR is just a reflection of that. CCA developers are now tasked with somehow deciding which type of CE they're seeing. Speaking of ecn "sane", does anyone else see this as not? :) and as a problem that needs solving? Pete