From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: Robert McMahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
Cc: David Lang <david@lang.hm>, dan <dandenson@gmail.com>,
Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>,
Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com>,
libreqos <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
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Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] [Bloat] [Starlink] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2023 17:28:48 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <11pp1noo-5472-1n15-24ro-ross90rr195n@ynat.uz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8f7d92bd-3b35-4726-b733-978b322713ad@rjmcmahon.com>
No, the primary cost (other than laying the fiber) is in the electronics to
route the packets around once they leave the optics, and the upstream bandwith
and peering to other ISPs.
laying the fiber is expensive, optics are trivially cheap in comparison, but
while the theoretical bandwidth of the fiber is huge, that's only for the one
hop, once you get past that hop and have to deal with the aggregate bandwidth of
multiple endpoints, something has to give.
David Lang
On Sat, 25 Mar 2023, Robert McMahon wrote:
> The primary cost is the optics. That's why they're p in sfp and pay go
>
> Bob
>
> On Mar 25, 2023, 4:35 PM, at 4:35 PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Mar 2023, Robert McMahon via Bloat wrote:
>>
>>> The fiber has basically infinite capacity.
>>
>> in theory, but once you start aggregating it and having to pay for
>> equipment
>> that can handle the rates, your 'infinite capaicty' starts to run out
>> really
>> fast.
>>
>> David Lang
>>
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2023-01-09 21:00 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 10:02 ` Sebastian Moeller
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2023-03-13 17:37 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 18:34 ` Sebastian Moeller
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2023-03-13 18:51 ` Sebastian Moeller
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2023-03-13 20:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
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2023-03-14 4:27 ` [LibreQoS] On FiWi rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 11:10 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] " Mike Puchol
2023-03-14 16:54 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:06 ` Robert McMahon
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2023-03-14 17:35 ` Robert McMahon
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2023-03-14 18:14 ` Robert McMahon
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2023-03-14 19:30 ` Dave Taht
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2023-03-15 19:39 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Bloat] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-03-15 21:52 ` David Lang
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2023-03-15 19:39 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 16:38 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " Dave Taht
2023-03-17 18:21 ` Mike Puchol
2023-03-17 19:01 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-17 19:19 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Starlink] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 20:37 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-17 20:57 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 22:50 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-18 18:18 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-18 19:57 ` dan
2023-03-18 20:40 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-19 10:26 ` Michael Richardson
2023-03-19 21:00 ` [LibreQoS] On metrics rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 0:26 ` dan
2023-03-20 3:03 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-20 20:46 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Starlink] On FiWi Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 21:28 ` dan
2023-03-20 21:38 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 22:02 ` [LibreQoS] On FiWi power envelope rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 23:47 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-21 0:10 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Rpm] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
2023-03-21 5:21 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-21 11:26 ` [LibreQoS] Annoyed at 5/1 Mbps Rich Brown
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2023-03-21 12:53 ` Rich Brown
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2023-03-21 19:04 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-23 18:23 ` dan
2023-03-21 12:29 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Rpm] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
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2023-03-21 17:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:08 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:51 ` Frantisek Borsik
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2023-03-21 20:06 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] " David Lang
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2023-03-25 20:15 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-25 20:43 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 21:08 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 22:04 ` Robert McMahon
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2023-03-25 20:27 ` [LibreQoS] " rjmcmahon
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