From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from qs51p00im-qukt01072501.me.com (qs51p00im-qukt01072501.me.com [17.57.155.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 432143CB38 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:28:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mac.com; s=1a1hai; t=1714534101; bh=gp1fBA8jjUjg0vCKvKhaNva+BGDxDxIM3oPlSnadrAg=; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:To; b=aycj2I2b8s7C0TAQA9WM8ApP5AZhKs9snVVspIefHqt1+3Uha97knjAlX4lgCDw8z puOcUTBxwy42+WswFbiJ/UyEIOiymA5i6aCRnjmXpPfS5KDwv5i1CViqWE/DOpsyFy Hdudt+qqVefbvoRTxEinUYybJ6RJe524favePUcab3ODfRAuU01zZEXD0QaHCHBn7y AWis0O2KZgMpYfClQSYFBym6PUxesE5qVqWi++8Ou6Ut9OKPekoYK/FdJbMCzJSL29 ZVAsTDJNfDsnndsJQewveyE7JvcUXvt/CinsPWiQQ5E1Ity9qRNyV701Gks5DpBd15 hmR8vgfx30IUg== Received: from smtpclient.apple (qs51p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.57.155.28]) by qs51p00im-qukt01072501.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 23DFE440225; Wed, 1 May 2024 03:28:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Forster Message-Id: <177B7A46-A7F3-4F70-B975-30323E015F7A@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_91245066-2726-4486-900A-46E62C29932D" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.500.171.1.1\)) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:27:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: Cc: Frantisek Borsik , Dave Taht via Starlink , Eugene Y Chang , Colin_Higbie , libreqos To: Dave Taht References: <1A972680-ECA5-42CA-BE8B-6BBD46FF5E74@ieee.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.500.171.1.1) X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: vfw6xH02-g7C5zwk6918z--LBxkRMB61 X-Proofpoint-GUID: vfw6xH02-g7C5zwk6918z--LBxkRMB61 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=baseguard engine=ICAP:2.0.272,Aquarius:18.0.1011,Hydra:6.0.650,FMLib:17.11.176.26 definitions=2024-05-01_02,2024-04-30_01,2023-05-22_02 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1011 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.19.0-2308100000 definitions=main-2405010023 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:40:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] =?utf-8?b?W1N0YXJsaW5rXSBJdOKAmXMgdGhlIExhdGVuY3ksIEZD?= =?utf-8?q?C?= X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2024 03:28:21 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_91245066-2726-4486-900A-46E62C29932D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I kind of like Waveform BB test, but a couple issues: * =46rom some places in India? and Southern Africa, the closest server = they use is far away. Consequently the base latency is much higher than = most content, which these days comes from CDNs. * I don=E2=80=99t mind the ads, but I did get a comment from someone I = referred to it, that the site was =E2=80=98mostly about trying to sell = some gear=E2=80=99. WF could alleviate that with an explanation of who = they are, etc. Maybe it=E2=80=99s there & I missed it? =E2=80=94 Jim > On Apr 30, 2024, at 6:02=E2=80=AFPM, Dave Taht via LibreQoS = wrote: >=20 > he also had a waveform result as best as I recall. Simpler than = running flent. >=20 > On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 2:23=E2=80=AFPM Frantisek Borsik = > wrote: >> Here are the tests Dave was talking about: >>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail=_91245066-2726-4486-900A-46E62C29932D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I kind of like = Waveform BB test, but a couple issues:

* =46rom some = places in India? and Southern Africa, the closest server they use is far = away.  Consequently the base latency is much higher than most = content, which these days comes from CDNs.

* I = don=E2=80=99t mind the ads, but I did get a comment from someone I = referred to it, that the site was =E2=80=98mostly about trying to sell = some gear=E2=80=99.  WF could alleviate that with an explanation of = who they are, etc.  Maybe it=E2=80=99s there & I missed = it?

  =E2=80=94 Jim

On Apr 30, 2024, at 6:02=E2=80=AFPM, Dave Taht via = LibreQoS <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

he also had a waveform result as best as I recall. Simpler than = running flent.

On Tue, = Apr 30, 2024 at 2:23=E2=80=AFPM Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com> = wrote:
Here are the tests Dave was talking = about:

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