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[67.169.100.59]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v2-20020a17090ac90200b00246b7b8b43asm3499261pjt.49.2023.04.14.21.59.26 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 14 Apr 2023 21:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Forster Message-Id: <232EC5F9-CB88-427F-8FDB-FCD79BFF18FC@connectivitycap.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8F065759-89F4-4CB4-9A8A-5FCFE0239A1A" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.500.231\)) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 21:59:05 -0700 In-Reply-To: <1877cf3132b.102c3799a191947.1618777140509011187@phillywisper.net> Cc: herberticus , libreqos To: Mark Steckel References: <1877cf3132b.102c3799a191947.1618777140509011187@phillywisper.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.500.231) Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] solar powered internet X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 04:59:29 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8F065759-89F4-4CB4-9A8A-5FCFE0239A1A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Right. The WISPs and ISPs that I know of in Africa & India have this = pretty much this dialed in. Some solar-only sites, lots of DC sites.. = Loads range from ~10w - 100+w. Various suppliers for the pieces-parts, = various time on battery deisgns, various engineering standards.,=20 Jim > On Apr 13, 2023, at 4:28 PM, Mark Steckel via LibreQoS = wrote: >=20 > I don't follow WispTalk so can't speak to those discussions. And = agree, the Ubnt stuff sort of does the job, but it's under powered for = what we do. >=20 > We have yet to build a solar powered site, and in Philly it is = probably unlikely we ever will. However, all of our high-sites use a DC = power plant.=20 >=20 > The attached photos are from a small site, and the others are (almost = certainly overbuilt*) for what is a large site that I expect will grow = over time. (We've also switched to LiFePo4 batteries of AGM lead acid.) >=20 > * I've found upgrading network gear is much easier than power = systems... and have been hampered when we have outgrown our power system = at a couple of sites in the past. And granted, a good portion of the = over built system in 3 of the photos is a by product of load sharing and = redundancy. >=20 --Apple-Mail=_8F065759-89F4-4CB4-9A8A-5FCFE0239A1A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Right. =  The WISPs and ISPs that I know of in Africa & India have this =  pretty much this dialed in.  Some solar-only sites, lots of = DC sites..  Loads range from  ~10w - 100+w. Various suppliers = for the pieces-parts, various time on battery deisgns, various = engineering = standards., 

Jim

On Apr 13, 2023, at 4:28 PM, Mark Steckel via = LibreQoS <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

I don't follow WispTalk so can't speak to = those discussions. And agree, the Ubnt stuff sort of does the job, but = it's under powered for what we do.

We have = yet to build a solar powered site, and in Philly it is probably unlikely = we ever will. However, all of our high-sites use a DC power = plant. 

The attached photos are = from a small site, and the others are (almost certainly overbuilt*) for = what is a large site that I expect will grow over time.  (We've = also switched to LiFePo4 batteries of AGM lead acid.)

* I've found upgrading network gear is much = easier than power systems... and have been hampered when we have = outgrown our power system at a couple of sites in the past. And granted, = a good portion of the over built system in 3 of the photos is a by = product of load sharing and redundancy.


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