From: rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
To: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>
Cc: dan <dandenson@gmail.com>, Jeremy Austin <jeremy@aterlo.com>,
Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
libreqos <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Rpm] [EXTERNAL] Re: Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 12:32:31 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3f45d2a0b6e46d7b2775fb801e805f93@rjmcmahon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CDB29430-5B84-450C-8D89-E9FE3CCA6471@gmx.de>
On 2023-03-13 11:51, Sebastian Moeller wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
>
>> On Mar 13, 2023, at 19:42, rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [SM] not really, given enough capacity, typical streaming protocols
>>> will actually not hit the ceiling, at least the one's I look at every
>>> now and then tend to stay well below actual capacity of the link.
>> I think DASH type protocol will hit link peaks. An example with iperf
>> 2's burst option a controlled WiFi test rig, server side first.
>
> [SM] I think that depends, each segment has only a finite length and
> if this can delivered before slow start ends that burst might never
> hit the capacity?
>
> Regards
I believe most CDNs are setting the initial CWND so TCP can bypass slow
start. Slow start seems an engineering flaw from the perspective of low
latency. It's done for "fairness" whatever that means.
Bob
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-03-13 19:32 UTC|newest]
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2023-01-09 15:26 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-01-09 17:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-09 17:04 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-01-09 18:33 ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 18:54 ` [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] " Livingood, Jason
2023-01-09 19:19 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 19:56 ` dan
2023-01-09 21:00 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 10:02 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 15:08 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Rpm] [EXTERNAL] " Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 15:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:06 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:19 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:12 ` [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-13 16:36 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 17:26 ` dan
2023-03-13 17:37 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 18:34 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:14 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 18:51 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 19:32 ` rjmcmahon [this message]
2023-03-13 20:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 20:28 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 4:27 ` [LibreQoS] On FiWi rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 11:10 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] " Mike Puchol
2023-03-14 16:54 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:06 ` Robert McMahon
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2023-03-14 17:35 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:54 ` dan
2023-03-14 18:14 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 19:18 ` dan
2023-03-14 19:30 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-14 20:06 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 19:30 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 23:30 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Bloat] [Rpm] " Bruce Perens
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2023-03-15 17:05 ` Bruce Perens
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2023-03-15 19:22 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-15 17:32 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Bloat] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 17:42 ` dan
2023-03-15 19:33 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-15 19:39 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Bloat] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-03-15 21:52 ` David Lang
2023-03-15 22:04 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-15 22:08 ` dan
2023-03-15 17:43 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-15 17:49 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 17:53 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Bloat] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-03-15 17:59 ` dan
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2023-03-17 16:38 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " Dave Taht
2023-03-17 18:21 ` Mike Puchol
2023-03-17 19:01 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-17 19:19 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Starlink] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 20:37 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-17 20:57 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 22:50 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-18 18:18 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-18 19:57 ` dan
2023-03-18 20:40 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-19 10:26 ` Michael Richardson
2023-03-19 21:00 ` [LibreQoS] On metrics rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 0:26 ` dan
2023-03-20 3:03 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-20 20:46 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Starlink] On FiWi Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 21:28 ` dan
2023-03-20 21:38 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 22:02 ` [LibreQoS] On FiWi power envelope rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 23:47 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
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2023-03-21 5:21 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-21 11:26 ` [LibreQoS] Annoyed at 5/1 Mbps Rich Brown
2023-03-21 12:31 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
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2023-03-21 19:04 ` Sebastian Moeller
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2023-03-28 18:11 ` Frantisek Borsik
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2023-03-28 20:37 ` David Lang
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