From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 094DF3B2A4 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2022 18:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id 29TMISfH027544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 30 Oct 2022 00:18:28 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/82085) with ESMTP id 29TMIS0g017811; Sun, 30 Oct 2022 00:18:28 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8B1F074C; Sun, 30 Oct 2022 00:18:28 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=irif.fr; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:message-id:date:date :received:received; s=dkim-irif; t=1667081907; x=1667945908; bh= AKo9Cm+OXli03ZXoloDNuLV2Ri3hytfRMj5v7x1Hjb4=; b=Yqv+gKa0v9nJS0VZ 9va0B0bO9us4tXoSF8bXYEQiLafBwDjqGzqSiXEL0rL83F2ZtgLEtMMRmR4TFj/6 L1nHo1AusDHauVZWdo6agOx+kUtlBBFDMLmuc3qm11th9lvkFW9Dsk++SAgtNEbk QXmiHwvgmFn9yU1CjzziqXGYVcGxFSDg8I5wiCy+RJn9W6cbtX+SzNKwGoE6ul4M 2hvEQOU4t2b7hZ06GAp0eCsaNgoL9BIrm3tev23oxamPyRVyqmccOR4mi7DvSe9t cDOmXz7xcoRu3VdAf4PkreKZFNMJprdITc+yHTKFn0Ip8YKM8+CQ8SXf0UYPaK45 YeKUwA== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id lTK8Fxb1iH81; Sun, 30 Oct 2022 00:18:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EEF51F074A; Sun, 30 Oct 2022 00:18:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 00:18:26 +0200 Message-ID: <87tu3mtgst.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: dan Cc: Herbert Wolverson , libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: References: <87sfj7vczj.wl-jch@irif.fr> <87leozuh1s.wl-jch@irif.fr> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/28.1 Mule/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Sun, 30 Oct 2022 00:18:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Sun, 30 Oct 2022 00:18:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 635DA6B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-Miltered: at potemkin with ID 635DA6B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 635DA6B4.000 from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr/potemkin.univ-paris7.fr/null/potemkin.univ-paris7.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 635DA6B4.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 635DA6B4.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 635DA6B4.000 on potemkin.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] routing protocols and daemons X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2022 22:18:31 -0000 > Ultimately though, these are just shortest hop path builders and need some > other kit on top of them to do any sort of traffic engineering or load > balancing. ECMP doesn't work for me, and doesn't work for a lot of wisps Perhaps one of you could explain what kind of traffic engineering and load balancing you'd like to have? Please don't try to be realistic, try to describe the pony you wish you had. -- Juliusz