From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 589693B2A4 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2022 16:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id 29TKBu2X026789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 29 Oct 2022 22:11:56 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/82085) with ESMTP id 29TKButx017050; Sat, 29 Oct 2022 22:11:56 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B3AF03D2; Sat, 29 Oct 2022 22:11:56 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=irif.fr; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:message-id:date:date :received:received; s=dkim-irif; t=1667074315; x=1667938316; bh= xJIzcxLEwbtMz42YLfqc9snomlmCDsy36hmTwSYqbYE=; b=JnlKXiexHoTvilno 3uEhnL5uAwTIpdIu6q6GOTl/4VjMrb4xnu6hH7u1MFy+7EtCO82kZ5kMa69zZSbZ zE/1sjwag32q/mmStAcqbV3ThMODrHvkinOzFliYKOIcuo3ed/Y/197frhUZWLNn zLHnRg028DncJ+FbR5RWu7GyZE3+qVO6kwzUQrovogob348TAzMWgsmRB75ANFVi 8vc0u3I844k2gbEIKswy3od4ERqNocWvmKn7d530/ch23YFiMO46oQMlt36wbIko EDNTqM9Tkqj8Nh7ZkYi4PrwkHGHtUIc1msXGdkar8IOg4xAc8eTNoy7+I0FDb/9W RCUUSA== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id RB_kVV4qDkQN; Sat, 29 Oct 2022 22:11:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A899F03D0; Sat, 29 Oct 2022 22:11:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2022 22:11:55 +0200 Message-ID: <87v8o2tmno.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Herbert Wolverson Cc: Dave Taht , libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: References: <87sfj7vczj.wl-jch@irif.fr> <87leozuh1s.wl-jch@irif.fr> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/28.1 Mule/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Sat, 29 Oct 2022 22:11:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Sat, 29 Oct 2022 22:11:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 635D890C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-Miltered: at potemkin with ID 635D890C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 635D890C.000 from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr/potemkin.univ-paris7.fr/null/potemkin.univ-paris7.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 635D890C.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 635D890C.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 635D890C.000 on potemkin.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] routing protocols and daemons X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2022 20:11:59 -0000 > OSPF is where it is now because it's "good enough (for now)" It is very good. > Sure, an implementation that spits out bad LSAs is going to break > everything - you're going to get some pretty nasty results from sending > out broken destination-distance-vector data, too. I claim that in DV incorrect data does not have as much of an effect as in LS, and that it gets cleared faster. I'm not able to formally quantify the effect. > (It seems like wireless vendors are busy trying to reinvent it at layer > 2 with proprietary meshing that doesn't talk to other proprietary > meshing; ugh) Uh-huh. -- Juliusz