From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=connectivitycap.com; dkim=pass header.d=connectivitycap.com; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=none Received: from mail-pl1-x636.google.com (mail-pl1-x636.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::636]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EE77711D5D for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 22:26:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-pl1-x636.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-269639879c3so61621435ad.2 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 13:26:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=connectivitycap.com; s=google; t=1759263901; x=1759868701; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:cc:message-id:subject:date:mime-version:from :content-transfer-encoding:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=guzszNxmyGBm7mEQ77YPkb5wKWkx8Qtfc+vdjAm5/rM=; b=WGre76+VYHWvKETm/hbl0EhFRLcXeYBj35Gxdyd1s3MKtpPv5h26Caq6PfbhgwaEJd k4VxoDPRhPYN6QHJzuRt2MsEa54lsTVKdYGGYlGn8/TVR4HwVYQITUZd+MzlgUn0TuQI ab0SmTy9jpvh1Bij8vc5F2yr/yKJHE7nVPS92a5QWE1s8g163rxFuqVsYojMEgEiSBXO XgEtoYt3DmrfD2swVh+UMzFLw7wx4wN0Ih7MDiXACsz9W+0ARfUl598IFzr4SjM/V3Pd giCRP2CpLzeOjTT9PwjveaBYXnt6CJgvV33AN/dtVSwc7W3T8CX8fYqWKsU0RCUhuYfE yvZg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1759263901; x=1759868701; h=to:cc:message-id:subject:date:mime-version:from :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=guzszNxmyGBm7mEQ77YPkb5wKWkx8Qtfc+vdjAm5/rM=; b=cEuU7pn4zJviD2UqSm/OzIJ+eQsR0qZrPb1hfe1l8X67Okm92eyvF5GvNSvL3YoO7w i3932+nuKrVvLfhi/zdggI283VN5JX3PWI3pPDccGx/R2/MDsIXvpfzz7AOCCxj4LPnh AIPi2h4CHV0nRTXjOVqlEPnalEcIBquwFngTo+qte2zxE1B9wH4Mgjw/6dM7eqhXKPuN N9k1clwI8uXPopjOJMjxzWmMNlmJ4FWsf7yJ8uxwYlYK6hnc9tOE0Px+/3dVLDtNJF/g x8kkbwbNpitT9pKJObj9zW6ZbpR+HUkE/8bFyIkeurd5UV0RmYjNKVUzAnOiAfQgRPre vumQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUvokZ+j+BixNFnoQGqyzY5TCkx+SO14UZzg6RSjMd9AZeP3ylK/1FnqMsbGIhTrLEh25JySp/csQ==@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxS4SYFFZgSr3Lj7LX5s54XVRYfoQOOpbMECReeiWNrAD960Cje +0TumGJcSSg8EwfSIM2eQPL4ftA3s3v0HOk8ZyyFccg78flW8aJLQF0YJiIjD5b4jgQ= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncvaD+b+fj687mhLbI+tLuKAM+3VIzKDdypp0jQ17iZvmm8+kDYJDm6kcpEjjk2 0HmYydNmrcLkR2HRVEPrE7XDdhact81fynWeDp1+BnxUayCFDpwegZEpA9sPbIEfXQNyjUeeyvq wRDy0iDQmdIhZh83JzQIruhpVcyousydfiv5Bpb6BAWUqImDGWAgQbEl1TKk84L8+UzDi59Hk10 oLmMFkzMNkhEzsqlJotUcHiVG7P2p4GvjCPByuV0uJ71DBmPH7POLi13NVgKViby8tUSmM+6iPs 4zDkNf7hK9NS/UZYgmRDoAM77LIM4kwyHt5HoiriysOaC1eLoC5OZGjFCYO/OJhNe0BgIyemRiz L8neRwsVj0ZC7TiT+KHZhP+aQKDWF/iHqLB8KLeiejwjWenncirsA2gdiLk5AkI0aIIhLFHdOi+ vyEdJASm/v X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IH5tmHSheUoByJdBQb/jdZHglcNLdwxB2mBVZ0L89jJfpvWqxbZ21jcDp9tcaX6NRn/VyuQTA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:da8a:b0:24b:e55:360 with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-28e7f298231mr12421635ad.23.1759263901203; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 13:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2607:fb90:c988:5032:b4d0:b4cc:55e7:33be]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d9443c01a7336-27ed6702cf9sm166181325ad.38.2025.09.30.13.25.00 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 30 Sep 2025 13:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: James Forster Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:24:49 -0600 Message-Id: <9390D9DA-3C77-429F-A41D-E0FECD52FF06@connectivitycap.com> Cc: Cake List , bloat , codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, Jeremy Austin via Rpm , libreqos To: Frantisek Borsik X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (23B5044l) Message-ID-Hash: TOOTNWJGJKPIUUUHT2HTMPDU2AFPZPMJ X-Message-ID-Hash: TOOTNWJGJKPIUUUHT2HTMPDU2AFPZPMJ X-MailFrom: jim@connectivitycap.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16) List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Wow, that=E2=80=99s fantastic, Frantisek! Great work making this happen.=20= These sort of titles aren=E2=80=99t my favorite. I think I understand the se= ntiment but find the issues more nuanced than that. :-) If you can get clear audio, not much quality is needed for panels and talkin= g beads. Best would be a feed right into an iPhone/android.=20 Jim=