From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf1-x12a.google.com (mail-lf1-x12a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 140203B2A4; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 12:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x12a.google.com with SMTP id r14so29681133lfm.2; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:10:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=ppEX/dM6bsA+5Cbpbv7mhhEMpC6hHr0I1q4KDk+6clw=; b=IomSXELUs4hDavBSE9PT8KyPOfXACVKQgMaYrdDuJsHd3e2dDMB6WWkqQ2PozM1G0g wOWu44lJZUEYO+DfMC7a6MWvkf9Mj6kyf4mdC6MwQxWtirAT2Oh4rIWetNKUqJwbZHws 7+7KeO9l5BT3FtTMgWseT2pPK0GmjbBqsNddy37vm5qCJfoinX0OR2Srh2AoAbnbXIWL Adwpu+xHmq06sqafj6tfN3fnAP7hlHn39mZtW3LFaMGh2rGAvcWsP5HEKs6qPxsl9vow wp4SXFxJDX2KSseE08Y9U9/37LhFDL5NbUVqH3Q7uPeYc9NHA5FpxqWj27FwOsmOekHG biIw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ppEX/dM6bsA+5Cbpbv7mhhEMpC6hHr0I1q4KDk+6clw=; b=SIdkmlYQdL7DWPzCpkFQqW2IlfFhDVNgf/xTB43nWpNDoUqMbLgNDJyJ+RjEANkIgT CJe3PhUOyUdDS4CbvqdAc+GDhcDUjgGdCpibWp2m2D6owd4kIgMSibLR3eWjhIFyNTUt m51wonAa9Fg3aobhAQ1nRk6syf/5H01KMMDTqjWPZrwLp0G5muim0R3NDNvqSq0ifB/Y XkqpJ2EE2U5f1LO1d1K/feQoT7YgoQZ9pw48gmr3ab1tRlANU3+7YqnEdaOHOLastWCJ AxUdVUhfePKwBXzugTtjKkGbjFJTFM7UN37u+LPMkwVZeEHoef2lEG+4NFhqxv2OhNE3 p09A== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf1DIYI2f7lvWR2B+gPTQnY7gHVzbHM58ibeBk1bxafaGXXYREPn Wrv1gULDFVGGYhMu9hR7LYU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4wBQM/x1StfgthzAHe11nbxBBwJVZwGXTONXmrLrQHoMUmDIetzPEFkESWGUyNudTQB575Gw== X-Received: by 2002:ac2:4a6b:0:b0:4a2:46f7:93f1 with SMTP id q11-20020ac24a6b000000b004a246f793f1mr16953921lfp.675.1666800603597; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (178-55-43-74.bb.dnainternet.fi. [178.55.43.74]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h4-20020ac24da4000000b004a2386b8cf9sm883087lfe.206.2022.10.26.09.10.02 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.100.0.2.22\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 19:10:01 +0300 Cc: Dave Taht , Rpm , libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: dan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.100.0.2.22) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 12:26:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] [Rpm] benton's consumer broadband label prototype X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 16:10:05 -0000 > On 26 Oct, 2022, at 6:09 pm, dan via Rpm = wrote: >=20 > Also, my trust in the government to decide what's good or bad... = laughable. You'd get things like on the example page. 903.5Mbps = Median download speed, 811.8 Median upload speed, gaming rating poor and = video conferencing marginal, on Fios service. I know that's an example, = but it's so spot on what the government might do... It's constructed as an example, and thus probably doesn't directly = reflect any single service that actually exists. The suitability rating for gaming and videoconferencing is undoubtedly = derived from the packet loss rate, listed as 0.5% under "normal" = conditions and over 5% under 10th-percentile conditions (which would = occur pretty often, almost daily), and the high latency in the latter = case (over 300ms). If I had a connection like that, I'd be pretty = unhappy with its performance, no matter how much throughput it could = get. - Jonathan Morton=