From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pf1-x429.google.com (mail-pf1-x429.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::429]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A49B3B2A4 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pf1-x429.google.com with SMTP id g62so11158150pfb.10 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 06:02:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=k2jGe4rDiw8BHY4Px2L7UjS2icCdea71ST7IhVa+DXA=; b=aTnGXB4NiuJKiZL6H0zXWCQa2KbHO8x08fOeS+xYWoOMpXyH0/KBdHyRMoF+7+M+cS xO/SX65NeG+/IbqcxYPYCkA3jqupa5sTtkJYPHQCTHhX2mDEAv23k0pSVZJFxb88ztx0 fuxLrpedhm+8E50YK9aBAupjZ2x6FVQsmeSYLoNnUZH91XPYmR0O1mOnqP9TPo3UFmfa mi2bQXleE6zEvgHftbjVXlU7AKH6Bj22mo9JdhJ4J9w9D+yAMSGNkOmYpZ8Zhl8gsrht IZ1eHc2xc7c+4ZaYW3hVTyDUrkURlsHtudBLUZFRQqGq5lJiKi0shLZqCJutwpjSdewv YDUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=k2jGe4rDiw8BHY4Px2L7UjS2icCdea71ST7IhVa+DXA=; b=KhQvnhr+nltKABJu8srSCG+PcAUKi6ZgCVIAK5Pp4hm4i0y+gbQJ/3kpdBb3jXQ8Dh UrF8CFSZ2qGsOkQL0ZFjGG0/3DjiI3h1Jss1x0I0vaYbUU/t90PDah0ZBQWhmH5gno/5 1de2YZMuX4YrzzAUZvJKzmDo6B8H+Z/gLbE1cx+i8HSI+i1/0VkcNCmdrk+v1Lgclm2b kFF5joKG86tQV0niKFCRF0CExzUv7/4KFayqVjMCGgXbf8+OZrvSOcd2dvzcL39Rgd3D fFbFEa2MKNf1QILxzkz6PvRlxDQMk4hOWk1S6UogQAFZwpfVgvmPjbekmEzjudUpvErk PppQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0FcI7c4XyhUuvPjshy5QRjzbfYwrG9Y0QxvkdEWGrMmmF10oxp f7TsaMDgMLJqV46+jtCuZaVwvsbjQHVwStBtAoCxTXkm X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM68OPKD92JUlMXpxthV5u5/COz9HebfR+kgJ6GQB5pTFL5t50Oww8lwZpyeBmMOMiLNI6WVHDYH5e7ad01yB+o= X-Received: by 2002:a65:408b:0:b0:42a:55fb:60b0 with SMTP id t11-20020a65408b000000b0042a55fb60b0mr37673244pgp.431.1666789343691; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 06:02:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <184121f0fd2.bb94d86e2041327.1777407868200201335@phillywisper.net> In-Reply-To: From: Herbert Wolverson Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 08:02:13 -0500 Message-ID: Cc: libreqos Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bf0a2e05ebefa27e" Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] 10G radios Was: Rain Fade (was Ack-filtering) X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 13:02:25 -0000 --000000000000bf0a2e05ebefa27e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Siklu tells us that their prices have gone up, especially if you need the larger dish. They quoted us $9k for a link (I'll let you know how it performs if the client goes for it). We keep getting large circuits recently, because "planning" in Missouri isn't really a thing. This client built a 3,000 bed luxury apartment complex for students, including fiber rings and infrastructure that deliver really high-speed connectivity to 9k jacks. Once they finished construction, they decided to order some connectivity. If they'd done their homework, they might have noticed that CenturyLink's entire available capacity to that neighborhood is... 1 gbit/s. On a single cable! So they bought it, and unsurprisingly it's not enough - lots of unhappy students. Then CL lost a legal battle with the city (it turns out they haven't paid for any of their aerial fiber runs in the last 5 years!), began the Lumen/Quantum Fiber/Titan/Whatever The New Name Is shell-game to try and avoid paying (they lost similar lawsuits elsewhere) and are quoting "we can add some bandwidth by 2025" currently). They are *also* suing to keep an exclusivity agreement that includes that part of town, preventing anyone else from laying fiber in the meantime! The really irksome part? There's really high capacity city-owned fiber right there, and the state government prohibited the city from connecting any private companies to it - even as transit to a private ISP. :-/ On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 11:09 PM dan via LibreQoS < libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > Siklu is great, service and support are ok. Aviat is also great, a bit > more money, but better support via their reps. One issue with siklu that > aviat doesn=E2=80=99t have is that siklu support is all in Israel so you = have some > delays but it=E2=80=99s manageable. 8010 is really hard to beat. Also? = Siklu > pairs up with a dual band dish so you can slap on an Af5xhd or force 400c > and pass that through the siklu for hitless failover. > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 8:29 PM Mark Steckel wrote= : > >> Dan, >> >> ---- On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 22:22:04 -0400 dan via LibreQoS wrote --- >> > >> > As far as FSO, interesting but 80Ghz is basically better in every way >> and those radios are coming down in price pretty quickly. 10Gbps FDX l= ink >> on siklu 8010 is under $6k if you have a good rep. >> >> Do you have any experience with Aviat or other 80 GHz radios? Planning t= o >> purchase some links in the next few months and I'm look for unbiased inf= o. >> >> Thanks >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 10:57 AM Dave Taht dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote= : >> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 4:25 PM dan dandenson@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> How bad are y'all's gear doing with rain fade on various techs an= d >> > >> bands? in 08, in nica, I'd go from a working 70 db 10 mile shot t= o >> > >> nothin at 5ghz when it rained, and I just laughed at the people >> trying >> > >> to deploy 60ghz - but times change. I see a vendor trying to ship >> 60 >> > >> with *really good antennas* into the office market... >> > >> >> > >> big question to ask when so busy, please ignore me. >> > >> >> > > >> > > I have extensive testing with almost every gear out there. >> > > >> > > 5Ghz, no appreciable fade in snow or rain. Longest shot on networ= k >> right now is 26 miles on AF5xHD 5Ghz on 2' dishes and we push a solid >> 300Mbps across this with zero fade. Actually gets a tiny bit better in = the >> rain, ie it is technically fading a bit but so is all the noise so it's = a >> minor improvement. >> > > >> > > I have 2x 7 miles force 425 links that are pushing 550Mbps. And a >> 10 miles force 400c on 2' ubiquiti dishes that pushes 940 unidirectional= in >> 80Mhz. No rain fade. Lots of af5xhd and force4x links in different >> distances. We even mix in some LTU PtMP as PTP for price, ie LTU AP >> LTU-LR or LTU-Pro for PTP. Works well enough though this product is >> susceptible to noise more than any other we use. >> > > >> > > Cambium 60Mhz cnwave is fantastic, legit 120 meters per link node >> to node or small CPE, 500M to big CPE, about 300 to the not-quite-releas= ed >> mid CPE. Pushing 1.7Gbps FDX on against my preseem box and my m2 macboo= k >> with nperf UDP. >> > > >> > > Ubiquiti gigabeam line, <1km ok, <800m even better. AF 'LR' and >> 'XR' rock solid at 2km, up to about 5km until they're down too much to b= e >> usable. Always backed up by a 5Ghz radio. >> > > >> > > Ubiquiti Wave, legit APCPE out 2km and never fails over. 4km w/ >> wifi6 failover. Fantastic product... probably the one to beat. >> > > >> > > Mikrotik 60Ghz 'ay about 200m on AP to small CPE, 500m AP to nRay. >> Can get a little more but it's really close and rain fade gets you. The= se >> have 'ac wireless backup in them so we can EASILY push 300m on the small >> and 800m on the nRay knowing we have about 4 hours a year in 5Ghz failov= er. >> > > >> > > Basically, and MIMO 5Ghz, 6Ghz, or 2.4Ghz product isn't going to >> noticably fade. MOST fade in these bands is actually thermal ducting >> 'turning' the beam off aim. >> > > >> > > 60Ghz should be considered 2 separate bands. channels 1-4 are >> short range, <1km in PTP, <300m in PtMP if you want to have links stay u= p. >> channels 5,6 are 2-3x longer. Unfortunately, only ubiquiti really playi= ng >> in this space right now, mikrotik's channel 5 support is at a lower outp= ut >> power so it's 'ok'. Tachyon coming into this space as well, but unprove= n >> and AFAIK zero beta deployments. >> > > >> > > 5Ghz <=3D200M service plans today with a well built network and go= od >> AP/Antenna choices, <=3D500Mbps with WiFi6 tech. technically a bit more= , but >> with reasonable ratios this is about right >> > > 6Ghz <=3D900Mbps plans on live beta users. OFDMA+MUMIMO is really >> delivering here. >> > > 60Ghz 'low' band cambium, 1.7Gbps legit across the mesh, twice tha= t >> with upcoming channel bonding. base CPE 1Gbps port, mid 2.5gbps port, l= ong >> 10Gbps port(s). Build out model here is for 'In the rain' so no effecti= ve >> fade if built right. if built wrong, fade to death. >> > > 60Ghz 'high' band ubiquiti wave. <=3D800Mbps. Technically a bit >> more but I haven't convinced a Wave AP to a Wave LR to do it. I can >> however get 2 customers/radios up to 1.5Gbps across the AP. Plan with >> built in fade and intentional fail to 5Ghz beyond 2km. Acceptable in >> Montana. >> > >> > Thx for such a deep dive! How about Tarana? >> > >> > How does "Terragraph" derived tech tie back into shipping products? >> > >> > I've been involved with a bunch of other highly speculative >> > technologies over the years. >> > >> > # Free space optics >> > >> > Koruza showed promise at one point: http://www.koruza.net/ >> > >> > Google's been trying to line up folk for this for a while: >> > >> > https://x.company/projects/taara/ >> > >> > # Radios >> > >> > ... I appreciate the data on all these radios, their relative >> > performance and range. This stuff needs to end up in >> > a wiki chart somewhere. ? >> > ... but it's not knowing the buffering on em that bugs me the most. = :/ >> > Got all kinds of measurement tools for that >> > >> > crusader, in particular, is coming along. >> > packet caps from iperf sessions... >> > flent to a raspi on the other side of the link... >> > >> > # Still a hardware guy at heart >> > >> > Back in 2013 I had thought hard about entering the market for radios >> > in the 11ghz (and wispa just freed up a lot of space in the 10? or 1= 2? >> > band for future use) licensed spectrums, but I couldn't stomach >> > working with qualcomm again. I have some hope a mediatek might get >> > into that, and I could work with them. >> > >> > anyone got devices that can use channel 172 yet? That just got freed >> up too. >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: >> > >> https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-69813666= 65607352320-FXtz >> > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> > _______________________________________________ >> > LibreQoS mailing list >> > LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > LibreQoS mailing list > LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos > --000000000000bf0a2e05ebefa27e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Siklu tells us that their prices have gone up, especi= ally if you need the larger dish. They quoted us $9k for a link (I'll l= et you know how it performs if the client goes for it).

<= /div>
We keep getting large circuits recently, because "planning&q= uot; in Missouri isn't really a thing. This client built a 3,000 bed lu= xury apartment complex for students, including fiber rings and infrastructu= re that deliver really high-speed connectivity to 9k jacks. Once they finis= hed construction, they decided to order some connectivity. If they'd do= ne their homework, they might have noticed that CenturyLink's entire av= ailable capacity to that neighborhood is... 1 gbit/s. On a single cable! So= they bought it, and unsurprisingly it's not enough - lots of unhappy s= tudents. Then CL lost a legal battle with the city (it turns out they haven= 't paid for any of their aerial fiber runs in the last 5 years!), began= the Lumen/Quantum Fiber/Titan/Whatever The New Name Is shell-game to try a= nd avoid paying (they lost similar lawsuits elsewhere) and are quoting &quo= t;we can add some bandwidth by 2025" currently). They are *also* suing= to keep an exclusivity agreement that includes that part of town, preventi= ng anyone else from laying fiber in the meantime!

= The really irksome part? There's really high capacity city-owned fiber = right there, and the state government prohibited the city from connecting a= ny private companies to it - even as transit to a private ISP. :-/


On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 11:09 PM dan via LibreQoS <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wr= ote:

Siklu is great, service and support are ok.=C2=A0 Avi= at is also great, a bit more money, but better support via their reps. One = issue with siklu that aviat doesn=E2=80=99t have is that siklu support is a= ll in Israel so you have some delays but it=E2=80=99s manageable. =C2=A0801= 0 is really hard to beat.=C2=A0 Also? Siklu pairs up with a dual band dish = so you can slap on an Af5xhd or force 400c and pass that through the siklu = for hitless failover.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 8:29 PM Mark Steckel <mjs@phillywisper.net> wrote:
Dan,

---- On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 22:22:04 -0400 dan via LibreQoS=C2=A0 wrote --- =C2=A0>
=C2=A0> As far as FSO, interesting but 80Ghz is basically better in ever= y way and those radios are coming down in price pretty quickly.=C2=A0 =C2= =A010Gbps FDX link on siklu 8010 is under $6k if you have a good rep.=C2=A0=

Do you have any experience with Aviat or other 80 GHz radios? Planning to p= urchase some links in the next few months and I'm look for unbiased inf= o.

Thanks
Mark





=C2=A0> On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 10:57 AM Dave Taht dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 4:25 PM dan dandenson@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >>
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >>
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >>
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >> How bad are y'all's gear doing with rain = fade on various techs and
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >> bands? in 08, in nica, I'd go from a working = 70 db 10 mile shot to
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >> nothin at 5ghz when it rained, and I just laughed= at the people trying
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >> to deploy 60ghz - but times change. I see a vendo= r trying to ship 60
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >> with *really good antennas* into the office marke= t...
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >>
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >> big question to ask when so busy, please ignore m= e.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >>
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 > I have extensive testing with almost every gear out t= here.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 > 5Ghz, no appreciable fade in snow or rain.=C2=A0 Long= est shot on network right now is 26 miles on AF5xHD 5Ghz on 2' dishes a= nd we push a solid 300Mbps across this with zero fade.=C2=A0 Actually gets = a tiny bit better in the rain, ie it is technically fading a bit but so is = all the noise so it's a minor improvement.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 > I have 2x 7 miles force 425 links that are pushing 55= 0Mbps.=C2=A0 And a 10 miles force 400c on 2' ubiquiti dishes that pushe= s 940 unidirectional in 80Mhz.=C2=A0 No rain fade.=C2=A0 Lots of af5xhd and= force4x links in different distances.=C2=A0 We even mix in some LTU PtMP a= s PTP for price, ie LTU AP=C2=A0 LTU-LR or LTU-Pro for PTP.=C2=A0 Works wel= l enough though this product is susceptible to noise more than any other we= use.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 > Cambium 60Mhz cnwave is fantastic, legit 120 meters p= er link node to node or small CPE, 500M to big CPE, about 300 to the not-qu= ite-released mid CPE.=C2=A0 Pushing 1.7Gbps FDX on against my preseem box a= nd my m2 macbook with nperf UDP.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 > Ubiquiti gigabeam line, <1km ok, <800m even bet= ter.=C2=A0 AF 'LR' and 'XR' rock solid at 2km, up to about = 5km until they're down too much to be usable.=C2=A0 Always backed up by= a 5Ghz radio.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 > Ubiquiti Wave, legit APCPE out 2km and never fails ov= er.=C2=A0 4km w/ wifi6 failover.=C2=A0 Fantastic product... probably the on= e to beat.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 > Mikrotik 60Ghz 'ay about 200m on AP to small CPE,= 500m AP to nRay.=C2=A0 Can get a little more but it's really close and= rain fade gets you.=C2=A0 These have 'ac wireless backup in them so we= can EASILY push 300m on the small and 800m on the nRay knowing we have abo= ut 4 hours a year in 5Ghz failover.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 > Basically, and MIMO 5Ghz, 6Ghz, or 2.4Ghz product isn= 't going to noticably fade.=C2=A0 MOST fade in these bands is actually = thermal ducting 'turning' the beam off aim.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 > 60Ghz should be considered 2 separate bands.=C2=A0 ch= annels 1-4 are short range, <1km in PTP, <300m in PtMP if you want to= have links stay up.=C2=A0 channels 5,6 are 2-3x longer.=C2=A0 Unfortunatel= y, only ubiquiti really playing in this space right now, mikrotik's cha= nnel 5 support is at a lower output power so it's 'ok'.=C2=A0 T= achyon coming into this space as well, but unproven and AFAIK zero beta dep= loyments.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 > 5Ghz <=3D200M service plans today with a well buil= t network and good AP/Antenna choices, <=3D500Mbps with WiFi6 tech.=C2= =A0 technically a bit more, but with reasonable ratios this is about right<= br> =C2=A0>=C2=A0 > 6Ghz <=3D900Mbps plans on live beta users.=C2=A0 O= FDMA+MUMIMO is really delivering here.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 > 60Ghz 'low' band cambium, 1.7Gbps legit acros= s the mesh, twice that with upcoming channel bonding.=C2=A0 base CPE 1Gbps = port, mid 2.5gbps port, long 10Gbps port(s).=C2=A0 Build out model here is = for 'In the rain' so no effective fade if built right.=C2=A0 if bui= lt wrong, fade to death.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 > 60Ghz 'high' band ubiquiti wave.=C2=A0 <= =3D800Mbps.=C2=A0 Technically a bit more but I haven't convinced a Wave= AP to a Wave LR to do it.=C2=A0 I can however get 2 customers/radios up to= 1.5Gbps across the AP.=C2=A0 Plan with built in fade and intentional fail = to 5Ghz beyond 2km.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Acceptable in Montana.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 Thx for such a deep dive! How about Tarana?
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 How does "Terragraph" derived tech tie back into= shipping products?
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 I've been involved with a bunch of other highly specul= ative
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 technologies over the years.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 # Free space optics
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 Koruza showed promise at one point: http://www.koruza.net/
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 Google's been trying to line up folk for this for a wh= ile:
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 https://x.company/projects/taara/
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 # Radios
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 ... I appreciate the data on all these radios, their relat= ive
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 performance and range. This stuff needs to=C2=A0 end up in=
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 a wiki chart somewhere. ?
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 ... but it's not knowing the buffering on em that bugs= me the most. :/
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 Got all kinds of measurement tools for that
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 crusader, in particular, is coming along.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 packet caps from iperf sessions...
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 flent to a raspi on the other side of the link...
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 # Still a hardware guy at heart
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 Back in 2013 I had thought hard about entering the market = for radios
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 in the 11ghz (and wispa just freed up a lot of space in th= e 10? or 12?
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 band for future use) licensed spectrums, but I couldn'= t stomach
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 working with qualcomm again. I have some hope a mediatek m= ight get
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 into that, and I could work with them.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 anyone got devices that can use channel 172 yet? That just= got freed up too.
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 >
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 --
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia wou= ld work:
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-698136= 6665607352320-FXtz
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
=C2=A0> _______________________________________________
=C2=A0> LibreQoS mailing list
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