On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 8:33 AM Brian Munyao Longwe wrote: > Thanks for sharing, > > Are you aware that after receiving ISOC training at the INET 99 networking > workshop for developing countries in San Jose way back in 1999 - I went > back to my (then) home country, Kenya, and built/started KIXP with > assistance from Cisco and hands on support from Barry Raveendran Greene > (formerly Cisco)? > > No. I knew I liked you for more than one reason! > Thereafter and for next 8 odd years as GM for AfrISPA (African ISP > Association) I turned up or helped turn up IXPs in about 12 other African > countries - mostly funded under a project called “Catalysing Access to ICTs > in Africa” funded by UKs DFID, Canada’s IDRC and others. > But my bigger question is how to get more IXPs on the radar for the BEAD programs here.... > > I even did a couple of trips with Bill Woodcock in Africa and Asia. > > Ta, > > Brian > > On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 4:28 PM, Dave Taht via LibreQoS < > libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> I would like to bring back the IXP concepts in the USA. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Jane Coffin >> Date: Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [New post] More Mapping Drama >> To: Garland McCoy >> Cc: Dave Taht , National Broadband Mapping >> Coalition , Bill Woodcock >> >> >> Actually. Bill is one of the IXP masters, but.... >> >> ISOC has done a helluva lot of IXP build around the world, and I would >> tip my hat to Michuki Mwangi (ISOC) and Nishal Goburdhan (PCH) along with >> some folks at Netnod (Swedish exchange), and INEX (Irish exchange - used >> those cats for training and they came up with the brilliant app - IXP >> Manager). I also would tag Philip Smith (NSRC and father of BGP and LINX), >> Christian O'Flaherty - one of my partners in crime on IXP build, Hisham >> Ibrahim (formerly with AfriNIC and now with RIPE NCC), Jan Zorz (was with >> ISOC now a v6 evangelist), Karen Rose (formerly with ISOC), Naveed Haq and >> Aftab Siddiqui (of ISOC), Brent McIntosh (Grenada), and Bevil Wooding >> (formerly with PCH and now with ARIN). I also would note the amazing work >> that the IXP Associations have done around the planet, and note the Peering >> Forums - PIFs that ISOC with partners like PCH created around the world - >> except for the US. AfPIF - the African Peering and Interconnection Forum >> and CarPIF - the Caribbean Peering and Interconnection Forum, BKNIX, the >> Bangkok Peering forum. One can't talk about IXPs without a nod to NOGs >> (Network Operator Groups). The US had the first NOG - NANOG, and they have >> taken off from there. ISOC uses NOGs, and PIFs, and IXPs, and the RIRs to >> promote Mutually Agreed Norms for Routing Security (MANRS)...great >> initiative and I would urge anyone looking at secure routing to chat with >> them and the RIRs (RPKI etc). >> >> Note that ISOC is the only org that has put out multiple studies that >> show over time and via snapshots the importance of IXPs to build your local >> Internet, increase resilience, allow for redundancy of nets at the local >> level, and has tracked how much latency diminishes, performance increases, >> and how quickly prices drop. >> >> Big Telcos in the US nearly killed bottom-up carrier neutral IXPs. Thank >> goodness for ISOC, the RIRs (LACNIC, AfriNIC, ARIN, APNIC, and RIPE NCC), >> ICANN, IETF to a degree, NSRC, PCH, the NOGs, and the Peering Fora for >> keeping network training, the importance of diverse peering ecosystems, and >> the IXPs that are making a resurgence in the US. >> >> It takes a village. A well-trained diverse village. >> >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 9:51 AM Garland McCoy >> wrote: >> >>> Dave, I am sure Jane would agree that THE global master IXP builder is >>> Bill Woodcock and his colleagues at Packet Clearing House ( >>> https://www.pch.net/) Bill has been doing this for decades (and decades >>> and decades). I have cced him in so you can circle the wagons. If by any >>> chance you want SECURE Edges as part of your IXP deployment you should look >>> up Onclave Networks (see link below) >>> >>> https://onclavenetworks.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 10, 2023, at 9:40 AM, Jane Coffin >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dave - >>> >>> On IXPs - I can give you a lot of global examples. On the US - less >>> so. One of the founders of SF-MIX is at Connect Humanity and is talking to >>> some folks about neutral/bottom-up IXPs - ISOC style, IFX, Euro-IX, Af-IX, >>> LAC-IX, and AP-IX style. >>> >>> ISOC also has some excellent reports that show the impact of IXPs in >>> countries - cheaper, better, faster local connectivity - and local >>> resiliency and redundancy vs tromboning traffic that benefits >>> transit/transport vs local fabric. >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 9:08 AM Dave Taht wrote: >>> >>>> While I frequently do not agree with doug´s blog, he does make for >>>> interesting reading, and oy! a bill to slow things down further... :( >>>> >>>> I am also curious as to the state of the cybergeography these days. >>>> (anyone remember this old project? >>>> >>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20060218123215/http://www.cybergeography.org/atlas/topology.html >>>> ) >>>> >>>> I have been researching the state of the IXPs nowadays, and kind of >>>> wondering if there was a noticeable difference in service quality between >>>> cities with IXPs and those without. Anyone? >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.pch.net/ixp/summary_growth_by_country#!mt-sort=ixp_current%2Cdesc!mt-pivot=ixp_current >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: POTs and PANs >>>> Date: Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 4:35 AM >>>> Subject: [New post] More Mapping Drama >>>> To: >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: Site logo image] Doug Dawson, CCG Consulting posted: "As if >>>> the federal mapping process needed more drama, Senator Jacky Rosen >>>> (Dem-Nevada) and John Thune (Rep-South Dakota) have introduced bill S.1162 >>>> that would “ensure that broadband maps are accurate before funds are >>>> allocated under the Broadband Equity, " POTs and PANs >>>> More Mapping Drama >>>> >>>> >>>> Doug Dawson, CCG Consulting >>>> Apr 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> As >>>> if the federal mapping process needed more drama, Senator Jacky Rosen >>>> (Dem-Nevada) and John Thune (Rep-South Dakota) have introduced bill S.1162 >>>> that would “ensure that broadband maps are accurate before funds are >>>> allocated under the Broadband Equity, Access, and Deployment Program based >>>> on those maps”. >>>> >>>> If this law is enacted, the distribution of most of the BEAD grant >>>> funds to States would be delayed by at least six months, probably longer. >>>> The NTIA has already said that it intends to announce the allocation of the >>>> $42.5 billion in grants to the states on June 30. The funds are supposed to >>>> be allocated using the best count of unserved and underserved locations in >>>> each state on that date. Unserved locations are those that can’t buy >>>> broadband of at least 25/3 Mbps. Underserved locations are those unable to >>>> buy broadband with speeds of at least 100/20 Mbps. >>>> >>>> To add to the story, FCC Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel recently >>>> announced that the FCC has largely completed the broadband map updates. >>>> That announcement surprised the folks in the industry who have been working >>>> with the map data, since everybody I talk to is still seeing a lot of >>>> inaccuracies in the maps. >>>> >>>> To the FCC’s credit, its vendor CostQuest has been processing thousands >>>> of individual challenges to the maps daily and has addressed 600 bulk >>>> challenges that have been filed by States, counties, and other local >>>> government entities. In making the announcement, Rosenworcel said that the >>>> new map has added over one million new locations to the broadband map – >>>> homes and businesses that were missed in the creation of the first version >>>> of the map last fall. >>>> >>>> But the FCC map has two important components that must be correct for >>>> the overall maps to be correct. The first is the mapping fabric that is >>>> supposed to identify every location in the country that is a potential >>>> broadband customer. I view this as a nearly impossible task. The US Census >>>> spends many billions every ten years to identify the addresses of residents >>>> and businesses in the country. CostQuest tried to duplicate the same thing >>>> on a much smaller budget and with the time pressure of the maps being used >>>> to allocate these grants. It’s challenging to count potential broadband >>>> customers. I wrote a blog last year >>>> that >>>> outlined a few of the dozens of issues that must be addressed to get an >>>> accurate map. It’s hard to think that CostQuest somehow figured out all of >>>> these complicated questions in the last six months. >>>> >>>> Even if the fabric is much improved, the more important issue is that >>>> the accuracy of the broadband map is reliant on two issues that are >>>> reported by ISPs – the coverage area where an ISP should be able to connect >>>> a new customer within ten days of a request, and the broadband speeds that >>>> are available to a home or business at each location. >>>> >>>> ISPs are pretty much free to claim whatever they want. While there has >>>> been a lot of work done to challenge the fabric and the location of >>>> possible customers – it’s a lot harder to challenge the coverage claims of >>>> specific ISPs. A true challenge would require many millions of individual >>>> challenges about the broadband that is available at each home. >>>> >>>> Just consider my own home. The national broadband map says there are >>>> ten ISPs available at my address. Several I’ve never heard of, and I’m >>>> willing to bet that at least a few of them can’t serve me – but since I’m >>>> already buying broadband from an ISP, I can’t think of any reason that >>>> would lead me to challenge the claims of the ISPs I’m not using. The FCC >>>> thinks that the challenge process will somehow fix the coverage issue – I >>>> can’t imagine that more than a tiny fraction of folks are ever going to >>>> care enough to go through the FCC map challenge process – or even know that >>>> the broadband map exists. >>>> >>>> The FCC mapping has also not yet figured out how to come to grips with >>>> broadband coverage claimed by wireless ISPs. It’s not hard looking through >>>> the FCC data to find numerous WISPs that claim large coverage areas. In >>>> real life, the availability of a wireless connection is complicated. The >>>> FCC reporting is in the process of requiring wireless carriers to report >>>> using a ‘heat map’ that shows the strength of the wireless signal at >>>> various distances from each individual radio. But even these heat maps >>>> won’t tell the full story. WISPs are sometimes able to find ways to serve >>>> customers that are not within easy reach of a tower. But just like with >>>> cellphone coverage, there are usually plenty of dead zones around a radio >>>> that can’t be reached but that will still be claimed on a heat map - heat >>>> maps are nothing more than a rough approximation of actual coverage. It’s >>>> hard to imagine that wireless coverage areas will ever be fully accurate. >>>> >>>> DSL coverage over telephone copper is equally impossible to map >>>> correctly, and there are still places where DSL is claimed but which can't >>>> be served. >>>> >>>> Broadband speeds are even harder to challenge. Under the FCC mapping >>>> rules, ISPs are allowed to claim marketing speeds. If an ISP markets >>>> broadband as capable of 100/20 Mbps, they can claim that speed on the >>>> broadband map. It doesn’t matter if the actual broadband delivered is only >>>> a fraction of that speed. There are so many factors that affect broadband >>>> speeds that the maps will never accurately depict the speeds folks can >>>> really buy. It’s amazingly disingenuous for the FCC to say the maps are >>>> accurate. The best we could ever hope for is that the maps will be better >>>> if, and only if ISPs scrupulously follow the reporting rules – but nobody >>>> thinks that is going to happen. >>>> >>>> I understand the frustration of the Senators who are suggesting this >>>> legislation. But I also think that we’ll never get an accurate set of maps. >>>> Don’t forget that Congress created the requirement to use the maps to >>>> allocate the BEAD grant dollars. Grant funding could have been done in >>>> other ways that didn't relay on the maps. I don’t think it’s going to make >>>> much difference if we delay six months, a year, or four years – the maps >>>> are going to remain consistently inconsistent. >>>> Comment >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Unsubscribe >>>> >>>> to no longer receive posts from POTs and PANs. >>>> Change your email settings at manage subscriptions. >>>> >>>> Trouble clicking? 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