From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x434.google.com (mail-wr1-x434.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::434]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B62A3B2A4; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 12:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x434.google.com with SMTP id d9so11541975wrb.11; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:09:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1681315785; x=1683907785; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=twprB4121oAyQzpgwPuHcUQJR8mrBpr9vDqWdxwkTBo=; b=oEoeYrqf6/mg/5WIv8JppdDDz0jv0VjSYDxsblRKVBHdsppbF7G8PITqhhNVVIOwyZ EcnG0EQJs+lb/5WP9IuTl6LFaVhMlLkRSRQb4MPGo7iWNTTwTbjdIQcfzbY1r0Vj5NyZ HX8Wc8FlLW2EpqolTy+WjjnY+TuhqHS1J2+uWBWMc5rJcpF+ntaVEEYWPFdh6DemXF5D 5ztXbo+0Yc5BwKiDFMMJqxDvRWYO01kjhB3r1wVsfkprwrL/VhEb6ywaz0ggab1ZhzMl JkFL+DsFZNSSdzoizyyAsC/i4yFeMan5J8lGLBma8PJXes7ttgIZwq0iDeWJ44TzDvxH 3vgA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1681315785; x=1683907785; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=twprB4121oAyQzpgwPuHcUQJR8mrBpr9vDqWdxwkTBo=; b=37N7GpQVdsBEYbiCiVgdYVRANYHJ4PdEdadplkjrcGsBNcC5P5NFKu10EmEHEZc7zo rR/fUG2kSnwlL5zs+I9MIlJuvefREi+J0DFzBtbGGD0ygdhL7FteJWeO9Yf7kcm0NBZ3 wrGdoTLUAPh2V42V7Tpdi/qnMX03b1cOi2F2Uxux+Oai12mVItcXJrrc2grFMuZ0NRCj 1FmPGKFU+7l1MHkUFogJxF6MvSYY1p0WhgdI8qjdc7gbK7VIpJmQAIF43KBu/VJaD7rm gZAwms9qOeVl0KLblIQRxYXSW+RkconyfKfbsX9Da+OhQAuJwmGySE5ur79Iq3ijCylh UuAQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9eK8gQuzps8gq9F9TDCK7/vwh7n+vVlt4M/I9JKqqbUzWV8tB4G SkKWVFf+E5Zz/U5CYOthcaTkNzapTF4e764qNU/NdqSRDgU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350YOHOn0fuNlYiC7t5nckTaDiDVEBU1EM7Gp2B5dEydO+oRHxjn/3lAOjmIfXHsAQUZlL7XsMcKpBlqZk1M2KTE= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:554f:0:b0:2f2:7854:f419 with SMTP id g15-20020a5d554f000000b002f27854f419mr1661406wrw.13.1681315784475; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:09:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49312101.15660.0@wordpress.com> <5629B6A3-4959-40A2-B12D-ABF35CC015DF@pagcasa.org> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:09:32 -0700 Message-ID: To: Brian Munyao Longwe Cc: bloat , libreqos Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000016cce105f925d6a3" Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] Fwd: [New post] More Mapping Drama X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 16:09:46 -0000 --00000000000016cce105f925d6a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 8:33=E2=80=AFAM Brian Munyao Longwe wrote: > Thanks for sharing, > > Are you aware that after receiving ISOC training at the INET 99 networkin= g > workshop for developing countries in San Jose way back in 1999 - I went > back to my (then) home country, Kenya, and built/started KIXP with > assistance from Cisco and hands on support from Barry Raveendran Greene > (formerly Cisco)? > > No. I knew I liked you for more than one reason! > Thereafter and for next 8 odd years as GM for AfrISPA (African ISP > Association) I turned up or helped turn up IXPs in about 12 other African > countries - mostly funded under a project called =E2=80=9CCatalysing Acce= ss to ICTs > in Africa=E2=80=9D funded by UKs DFID, Canada=E2=80=99s IDRC and others. > But my bigger question is how to get more IXPs on the radar for the BEAD programs here.... > > I even did a couple of trips with Bill Woodcock in Africa and Asia. > > Ta, > > Brian > > On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 4:28 PM, Dave Taht via LibreQoS < > libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> I would like to bring back the IXP concepts in the USA. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Jane Coffin >> Date: Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:23=E2=80=AFAM >> Subject: Re: [New post] More Mapping Drama >> To: Garland McCoy >> Cc: Dave Taht , National Broadband Mapping >> Coalition , Bill Woodcock >> >> >> Actually. Bill is one of the IXP masters, but.... >> >> ISOC has done a helluva lot of IXP build around the world, and I would >> tip my hat to Michuki Mwangi (ISOC) and Nishal Goburdhan (PCH) along wit= h >> some folks at Netnod (Swedish exchange), and INEX (Irish exchange - used >> those cats for training and they came up with the brilliant app - IXP >> Manager). I also would tag Philip Smith (NSRC and father of BGP and LIN= X), >> Christian O'Flaherty - one of my partners in crime on IXP build, Hisham >> Ibrahim (formerly with AfriNIC and now with RIPE NCC), Jan Zorz (was wit= h >> ISOC now a v6 evangelist), Karen Rose (formerly with ISOC), Naveed Haq a= nd >> Aftab Siddiqui (of ISOC), Brent McIntosh (Grenada), and Bevil Wooding >> (formerly with PCH and now with ARIN). I also would note the amazing wo= rk >> that the IXP Associations have done around the planet, and note the Peer= ing >> Forums - PIFs that ISOC with partners like PCH created around the world = - >> except for the US. AfPIF - the African Peering and Interconnection Foru= m >> and CarPIF - the Caribbean Peering and Interconnection Forum, BKNIX, the >> Bangkok Peering forum. One can't talk about IXPs without a nod to NOGs >> (Network Operator Groups). The US had the first NOG - NANOG, and they h= ave >> taken off from there. ISOC uses NOGs, and PIFs, and IXPs, and the RIRs = to >> promote Mutually Agreed Norms for Routing Security (MANRS)...great >> initiative and I would urge anyone looking at secure routing to chat wit= h >> them and the RIRs (RPKI etc). >> >> Note that ISOC is the only org that has put out multiple studies that >> show over time and via snapshots the importance of IXPs to build your lo= cal >> Internet, increase resilience, allow for redundancy of nets at the local >> level, and has tracked how much latency diminishes, performance increase= s, >> and how quickly prices drop. >> >> Big Telcos in the US nearly killed bottom-up carrier neutral IXPs. Than= k >> goodness for ISOC, the RIRs (LACNIC, AfriNIC, ARIN, APNIC, and RIPE NCC)= , >> ICANN, IETF to a degree, NSRC, PCH, the NOGs, and the Peering Fora for >> keeping network training, the importance of diverse peering ecosystems, = and >> the IXPs that are making a resurgence in the US. >> >> It takes a village. A well-trained diverse village. >> >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 9:51=E2=80=AFAM Garland McCoy >> wrote: >> >>> Dave, I am sure Jane would agree that THE global master IXP builder is >>> Bill Woodcock and his colleagues at Packet Clearing House ( >>> https://www.pch.net/) Bill has been doing this for decades (and decades >>> and decades). I have cced him in so you can circle the wagons. If by an= y >>> chance you want SECURE Edges as part of your IXP deployment you should = look >>> up Onclave Networks (see link below) >>> >>> https://onclavenetworks.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 10, 2023, at 9:40 AM, Jane Coffin >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dave - >>> >>> On IXPs - I can give you a lot of global examples. On the US - less >>> so. One of the founders of SF-MIX is at Connect Humanity and is talkin= g to >>> some folks about neutral/bottom-up IXPs - ISOC style, IFX, Euro-IX, Af-= IX, >>> LAC-IX, and AP-IX style. >>> >>> ISOC also has some excellent reports that show the impact of IXPs in >>> countries - cheaper, better, faster local connectivity - and local >>> resiliency and redundancy vs tromboning traffic that benefits >>> transit/transport vs local fabric. >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 9:08=E2=80=AFAM Dave Taht = wrote: >>> >>>> While I frequently do not agree with doug=C2=B4s blog, he does make fo= r >>>> interesting reading, and oy! a bill to slow things down further... :( >>>> >>>> I am also curious as to the state of the cybergeography these days. >>>> (anyone remember this old project? >>>> >>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20060218123215/http://www.cybergeography.o= rg/atlas/topology.html >>>> ) >>>> >>>> I have been researching the state of the IXPs nowadays, and kind of >>>> wondering if there was a noticeable difference in service quality betw= een >>>> cities with IXPs and those without. Anyone? >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.pch.net/ixp/summary_growth_by_country#!mt-sort=3Dixp_curre= nt%2Cdesc!mt-pivot=3Dixp_current >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: POTs and PANs >>>> Date: Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 4:35=E2=80=AFAM >>>> Subject: [New post] More Mapping Drama >>>> To: >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: Site logo image] Doug Dawson, CCG Consulting posted: "As if >>>> the federal mapping process needed more drama, Senator Jacky Rosen >>>> (Dem-Nevada) and John Thune (Rep-South Dakota) have introduced bill S.= 1162 >>>> that would =E2=80=9Censure that broadband maps are accurate before fun= ds are >>>> allocated under the Broadband Equity, " POTs and PANs >>>> More Mapping Drama >>>> >>>> >>>> Doug Dawson, CCG Consulting >>>> Apr 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> As >>>> if the federal mapping process needed more drama, Senator Jacky Rosen >>>> (Dem-Nevada) and John Thune (Rep-South Dakota) have introduced bill S.= 1162 >>>> that would =E2=80=9Censure that broadband maps are accurate before fun= ds are >>>> allocated under the Broadband Equity, Access, and Deployment Program b= ased >>>> on those maps=E2=80=9D. >>>> >>>> If this law is enacted, the distribution of most of the BEAD grant >>>> funds to States would be delayed by at least six months, probably long= er. >>>> The NTIA has already said that it intends to announce the allocation o= f the >>>> $42.5 billion in grants to the states on June 30. The funds are suppos= ed to >>>> be allocated using the best count of unserved and underserved location= s in >>>> each state on that date. Unserved locations are those that can=E2=80= =99t buy >>>> broadband of at least 25/3 Mbps. Underserved locations are those unabl= e to >>>> buy broadband with speeds of at least 100/20 Mbps. >>>> >>>> To add to the story, FCC Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel recently >>>> announced that the FCC has largely completed the broadband map updates= . >>>> That announcement surprised the folks in the industry who have been wo= rking >>>> with the map data, since everybody I talk to is still seeing a lot of >>>> inaccuracies in the maps. >>>> >>>> To the FCC=E2=80=99s credit, its vendor CostQuest has been processing = thousands >>>> of individual challenges to the maps daily and has addressed 600 bulk >>>> challenges that have been filed by States, counties, and other local >>>> government entities. In making the announcement, Rosenworcel said that= the >>>> new map has added over one million new locations to the broadband map = =E2=80=93 >>>> homes and businesses that were missed in the creation of the first ver= sion >>>> of the map last fall. >>>> >>>> But the FCC map has two important components that must be correct for >>>> the overall maps to be correct. The first is the mapping fabric that i= s >>>> supposed to identify every location in the country that is a potential >>>> broadband customer. I view this as a nearly impossible task. The US Ce= nsus >>>> spends many billions every ten years to identify the addresses of resi= dents >>>> and businesses in the country. CostQuest tried to duplicate the same t= hing >>>> on a much smaller budget and with the time pressure of the maps being = used >>>> to allocate these grants. It=E2=80=99s challenging to count potential = broadband >>>> customers. I wrote a blog last year >>>> that >>>> outlined a few of the dozens of issues that must be addressed to get a= n >>>> accurate map. It=E2=80=99s hard to think that CostQuest somehow figure= d out all of >>>> these complicated questions in the last six months. >>>> >>>> Even if the fabric is much improved, the more important issue is that >>>> the accuracy of the broadband map is reliant on two issues that are >>>> reported by ISPs =E2=80=93 the coverage area where an ISP should be ab= le to connect >>>> a new customer within ten days of a request, and the broadband speeds = that >>>> are available to a home or business at each location. >>>> >>>> ISPs are pretty much free to claim whatever they want. While there has >>>> been a lot of work done to challenge the fabric and the location of >>>> possible customers =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s a lot harder to challenge th= e coverage claims of >>>> specific ISPs. A true challenge would require many millions of individ= ual >>>> challenges about the broadband that is available at each home. >>>> >>>> Just consider my own home. The national broadband map says there are >>>> ten ISPs available at my address. Several I=E2=80=99ve never heard of,= and I=E2=80=99m >>>> willing to bet that at least a few of them can=E2=80=99t serve me =E2= =80=93 but since I=E2=80=99m >>>> already buying broadband from an ISP, I can=E2=80=99t think of any rea= son that >>>> would lead me to challenge the claims of the ISPs I=E2=80=99m not usin= g. The FCC >>>> thinks that the challenge process will somehow fix the coverage issue = =E2=80=93 I >>>> can=E2=80=99t imagine that more than a tiny fraction of folks are ever= going to >>>> care enough to go through the FCC map challenge process =E2=80=93 or e= ven know that >>>> the broadband map exists. >>>> >>>> The FCC mapping has also not yet figured out how to come to grips with >>>> broadband coverage claimed by wireless ISPs. It=E2=80=99s not hard loo= king through >>>> the FCC data to find numerous WISPs that claim large coverage areas. I= n >>>> real life, the availability of a wireless connection is complicated. T= he >>>> FCC reporting is in the process of requiring wireless carriers to repo= rt >>>> using a =E2=80=98heat map=E2=80=99 that shows the strength of the wire= less signal at >>>> various distances from each individual radio. But even these heat maps >>>> won=E2=80=99t tell the full story. WISPs are sometimes able to find wa= ys to serve >>>> customers that are not within easy reach of a tower. But just like wit= h >>>> cellphone coverage, there are usually plenty of dead zones around a ra= dio >>>> that can=E2=80=99t be reached but that will still be claimed on a heat= map - heat >>>> maps are nothing more than a rough approximation of actual coverage. I= t=E2=80=99s >>>> hard to imagine that wireless coverage areas will ever be fully accura= te. >>>> >>>> DSL coverage over telephone copper is equally impossible to map >>>> correctly, and there are still places where DSL is claimed but which c= an't >>>> be served. >>>> >>>> Broadband speeds are even harder to challenge. Under the FCC mapping >>>> rules, ISPs are allowed to claim marketing speeds. If an ISP markets >>>> broadband as capable of 100/20 Mbps, they can claim that speed on the >>>> broadband map. It doesn=E2=80=99t matter if the actual broadband deliv= ered is only >>>> a fraction of that speed. There are so many factors that affect broadb= and >>>> speeds that the maps will never accurately depict the speeds folks can >>>> really buy. It=E2=80=99s amazingly disingenuous for the FCC to say the= maps are >>>> accurate. The best we could ever hope for is that the maps will be bet= ter >>>> if, and only if ISPs scrupulously follow the reporting rules =E2=80=93= but nobody >>>> thinks that is going to happen. >>>> >>>> I understand the frustration of the Senators who are suggesting this >>>> legislation. But I also think that we=E2=80=99ll never get an accurate= set of maps. >>>> Don=E2=80=99t forget that Congress created the requirement to use the = maps to >>>> allocate the BEAD grant dollars. Grant funding could have been done in >>>> other ways that didn't relay on the maps. I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2= =80=99s going to make >>>> much difference if we delay six months, a year, or four years =E2=80= =93 the maps >>>> are going to remain consistently inconsistent. >>>> Comment >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Unsubscribe >>>> >>>> to no longer receive posts from POTs and PANs. >>>> Change your email settings at manage subscriptions. >>>> >>>> Trouble clicking? 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On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 8:33=E2=80=AF= AM Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gma= il.com> wrote:
Thanks for sharing,

Are you aware that after receiving ISOC training at the= INET 99 networking workshop for developing countries in San Jose way back = in 1999 - I went back to my (then) home country, Kenya, and built/started K= IXP with assistance from Cisco and hands on support from Barry Raveendran G= reene (formerly Cisco)?

=
No. I knew I liked you for more than one reason!=C2=A0
=
=C2=A0
Thereafter and for next 8 odd years as GM= for AfrISPA (African ISP Association) I turned up or helped turn up IXPs i= n about 12 other African countries - mostly funded under a project called = =E2=80=9CCatalysing Access to ICTs in Africa=E2=80=9D funded by UKs DFID, C= anada=E2=80=99s IDRC and others.

But = my bigger question is how to get more IXPs on the radar for the BEAD progra= ms here....
=C2=A0

I even did a coupl= e of trips with Bill Woodcock in Africa and Asia.
Ta,

Brian

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 4:28 PM, Dave Taht via LibreQoS <= libreqo= s@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
I would like to bring back the IXP = concepts in the USA.

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Jane Coffin <jane@connecthumanity.fund>
Date: Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at = 10:23=E2=80=AFAM
Subject: Re: [New post] More Mapping Drama
To: Garla= nd McCoy <garland.mccoy@pagcasa.org>
Cc: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>, National= Broadband Mapping Coalition <bbcoalition@marconisociety.org>, Bill Wood= cock <woody@pch.net>


Actually.=C2=A0 B= ill is one of the IXP masters, but....

=C2=A0ISOC = has done a helluva lot of IXP build around the world, and I would tip my ha= t to Michuki Mwangi (ISOC) and Nishal Goburdhan (PCH) along with some folks= at Netnod (Swedish exchange), and INEX (Irish exchange - used those cats f= or training and they came up with the brilliant app - IXP Manager).=C2=A0 I= also would tag Philip Smith (NSRC and father of BGP and LINX), Christian O= 'Flaherty - one of my partners in crime on IXP build, Hisham Ibrahim (f= ormerly with AfriNIC and now with RIPE NCC), Jan Zorz (was with ISOC now a = v6 evangelist), Karen Rose (formerly with ISOC), Naveed Haq and Aftab Siddi= qui (of ISOC), Brent McIntosh (Grenada), and Bevil Wooding (formerly with P= CH and now with ARIN).=C2=A0 I also would note the amazing work that the IX= P Associations have done around the planet, and note the Peering Forums - P= IFs that ISOC with partners like PCH created around the world - except for = the US.=C2=A0 AfPIF - the African Peering and Interconnection Forum and Car= PIF - the Caribbean Peering and Interconnection Forum, BKNIX, the Bangkok P= eering forum.=C2=A0 One can't talk about IXPs without a nod to NOGs (Ne= twork Operator Groups).=C2=A0 The US had the first NOG - NANOG, and they ha= ve taken off from there.=C2=A0 ISOC uses NOGs, and PIFs, and IXPs, and the = RIRs to promote Mutually Agreed Norms for Routing Security (MANRS)...great = initiative and I would urge anyone looking at secure routing to chat with t= hem and the RIRs (RPKI etc).

Note that ISOC is the= only org that has put out multiple studies that show over time and via sna= pshots the importance of IXPs to build your local Internet, increase resili= ence, allow for redundancy of nets at the local level, and has tracked how = much latency diminishes, performance increases, and how quickly prices drop= .

Big Telcos in the US nearly killed bottom-up car= rier neutral IXPs.=C2=A0 Thank goodness for ISOC, the RIRs (LACNIC, AfriNIC= , ARIN, APNIC, and RIPE NCC), ICANN, IETF to a degree, NSRC, PCH, the NOGs,= and the Peering Fora for keeping network training, the importance of diver= se peering ecosystems, and the IXPs that are making a resurgence in the US.=

It takes a village.=C2=A0 A well-trained diverse = village.=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0Dave, I am sure Jane would agree that THE g= lobal master IXP builder is Bill Woodcock and his colleagues at Packet Clea= ring House (https://www.= pch.net/) Bill has been doing this for decades (and decades and decades= ). I have cced him in so you can circle the wagons. If by any chance you wa= nt SECURE Edges as part of your IXP deployment you should look up Onclave N= etworks (see link below)




On = Apr 10, 2023, at 9:40 AM, Jane Coffin <jane@connecthumanity.fund> wro= te:

Dave -

On IXPs - I ca= n give you a lot of global examples.=C2=A0 On the US - less so.=C2=A0 One o= f the founders of SF-MIX is at Connect Humanity and is talking to some folk= s about neutral/bottom-up IXPs - ISOC style, IFX, Euro-IX, Af-IX, LAC-IX, a= nd AP-IX style.

ISOC also has some excellent repor= ts that show the impact of IXPs in countries=C2=A0- cheaper, better, faster= local connectivity - and local resiliency and redundancy vs tromboning tra= ffic that benefits transit/transport vs local fabric.

<= div>Jane

On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 9:08=E2=80=AFAM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com= > wrote:
While I frequently do not agree with doug=C2=B4s blog, he does= make for interesting reading, and oy! a bill to slow things down further..= . :(

I am also curious as to the state of the cybergeogr= aphy these days. (anyone remember this old project?
<= div>
I have been researching the state of the IXPs nowadays, = and kind of wondering if there was a noticeable=C2=A0difference in service = quality between=C2=A0
cities with IXPs and those without. Anyone?=



<= /div>



---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: POTs and PANs <donotreply@wordpress.com>
Date: Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 4:3= 5=E2=80=AFAM
Subject: [New post] More Mapping Drama
To: <dave.taht@gmail.com&g= t;


3D"Site Doug Dawson, CCG Consulting posted: "As if the federal= mapping process needed more drama, Senator Jacky Rosen (Dem-Nevada) and Jo= hn Thune (Rep-South Dakota) have introduced bill S.1162 that would =E2=80= =9Censure that broadband maps are accurate before funds are allocated under= the Broadband Equity, " =09 =09 POTs and = PANs

More Mapping Drama

Doug Dawson, CCG Consulting
Apr 10

3D""As if the federal mapping process needed more drama,= Senator Jacky Rosen (Dem-Nevada) and John Thune (Rep-South Dakota) have in= troduced bill S.1162 that would =E2=80=9Censure that broadband maps are acc= urate before funds are allocated under the Broadband Equity, Access, and De= ployment Program based on those maps=E2=80=9D.

If this law is enacted, the distribution of most of the BEAD gr= ant funds to States would be delayed by at least six months, probably longe= r. The NTIA has already said that it intends to announce the allocation of = the $42.5 billion in grants to the states on June 30. The funds are suppose= d to be allocated using the best count of unserved and underserved location= s in each state on that date. Unserved locations are those that can=E2=80= =99t buy broadband of at least 25/3 Mbps. Underserved locations are those u= nable to buy broadband with speeds of at least 100/20 Mbps.

To add to the story, FCC Commissioner Jessica Rose= nworcel recently announced that the FCC has largely completed the broadband= map updates. That announcement surprised the folks in the industry who hav= e been working with the map data, since everybody I talk to is still seeing= a lot of inaccuracies in the maps.

To the FCC=E2=80=99s credit, its vendor CostQuest has been processing thou= sands of individual challenges to the maps daily and has addressed 600 bulk= challenges that have been filed by States, counties, and other local gover= nment entities. In making the announcement, Rosenworcel said that the new m= ap has added over one million new locations to the broadband map =E2=80=93 = homes and businesses that were missed in the creation of the first version = of the map last fall.

But the FCC m= ap has two important components that must be correct for the overall maps t= o be correct. The first is the mapping fabric that is supposed to identify = every location in the country that is a potential broadband customer. I vie= w this as a nearly impossible task. The US Census spends many billions ever= y ten years to identify the addresses of residents and businesses in the co= untry. CostQuest tried to duplicate the same thing on a much smaller budget= and with the time pressure of the maps being used to allocate these grants= . It=E2=80=99s challenging to count potential broadband customers. I wrote = a blog last year that outlined a few of the dozens of issues that must= be addressed to get an accurate map. It=E2=80=99s hard to think that CostQ= uest somehow figured out all of these complicated questions in the last six= months.

Even if the fabric is much= improved, the more important issue is that the accuracy of the broadband m= ap is reliant on two issues that are reported by ISPs =E2=80=93 the coverag= e area where an ISP should be able to connect a new customer within ten day= s of a request, and the broadband speeds that are available to a home or bu= siness at each location.

ISPs are p= retty much free to claim whatever they want. While there has been a lot of = work done to challenge the fabric and the location of possible customers = =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s a lot harder to challenge the coverage claims of spe= cific ISPs. A true challenge would require many millions of individual chal= lenges about the broadband that is available at each home.

Just consider my own home. The national broadband m= ap says there are ten ISPs available at my address. Several I=E2=80=99ve ne= ver heard of, and I=E2=80=99m willing to bet that at least a few of them ca= n=E2=80=99t serve me =E2=80=93 but since I=E2=80=99m already buying broadba= nd from an ISP, I can=E2=80=99t think of any reason that would lead me to c= hallenge the claims of the ISPs I=E2=80=99m not using. The FCC thinks that = the challenge process will somehow fix the coverage issue =E2=80=93 I can= =E2=80=99t imagine that more than a tiny fraction of folks are ever going t= o care enough to go through the FCC map challenge process =E2=80=93 or even= know that the broadband map exists.

DSL coverage o= ver telephone copper is equally impossible to map correctly, and there are = still places where DSL is claimed but which can't be served.

Broadband speeds are even harder to challenge= . Under the FCC mapping rules, ISPs are allowed to claim marketing speeds. = If an ISP markets broadband as capable of 100/20 Mbps, they can claim that = speed on the broadband map. It doesn=E2=80=99t matter if the actual broadba= nd delivered is only a fraction of that speed. There are so many factors th= at affect broadband speeds that the maps will never accurately depict the s= peeds folks can really buy. It=E2=80=99s amazingly disingenuous for the FCC= to say the maps are accurate. The best we could ever hope for is that the = maps will be better if, and only if ISPs scrupulously follow the reporting = rules =E2=80=93 but nobody thinks that is going to happen.

I understand the frustration of the Senators who ar= e suggesting this legislation. But I also think that we=E2=80=99ll never ge= t an accurate set of maps. Don=E2=80=99t forget that Congress created the r= equirement to use the maps to allocate the BEAD grant dollars. Grant fundin= g could have been done in other ways that didn't relay on the maps. I d= on=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s going to make much difference if we delay s= ix months, a year, or four years =E2=80=93 the maps are going to remain con= sistently inconsistent.
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