From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x436.google.com (mail-wr1-x436.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::436]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4452E3CB37; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x436.google.com with SMTP id v1so16197275wrt.11; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 07:25:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=lv3nvBbutmgcej+wlaIZK+IJ31F/OpFmIteGx+zamZI=; b=YT7KJ8itWyKpunFiKHiHoypYjxe1VTpYqKaoJ4igi/5hlpv9YfKliKK2H17q+lxyAk vXj+AChqN/YLcB4JIsMtMKbGP8BS8DXjSEszSclScNuK630Bhcw3fCmp1pvjcVKtPFHv iYIn8iHKmgGRNgYXC7vpdUKNaQ5t+iU2Z/vm/ZIqc5bKxXqtRJbN1A7CPjxj/crtW3d8 tDu6KCkd3JUlWdfFVMIOPV5+hagcYiekoUqPlZEViqkwqVkv5PDkgWpWWjow5HyCVU+U oRwsVVqFXM8utiKgn69vTOXrsTy+/UDWtCPh7LCx+8ZmcB4dgKpe1+t/eAiYILTmroVE Yy5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=lv3nvBbutmgcej+wlaIZK+IJ31F/OpFmIteGx+zamZI=; b=RwEpKhjHByszie4HjqoHGXGIx8F+I5E2EeWBu+VRDjf6m+tvKuKGcMNIv0dmaVpT+d Hl1wsd43VhpMuGPgIYyHSTksadB1lJ1V+hSvBbIFAMfBl1IA+v9JFxBZ2sszB8muKVCg E5K5I7HrQ2/k95ni5D994MT+8kCG/QJHrwH1PNVsf6eYuRZniJP4x+2hL/5fjASuwOQm xAroADjkBDtlB0xDlYCLk5d6hQZHANNBVQ4EE/GT524oo3fxOdNYWgtYnTKXLFC9XkAR 02FlOo7oZWyy404TFLPxLaSXOAMlmOBmYUh6muZmSWdkemBI6fdJLp+bghwqNY1N69F2 HEZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf1LSZaYA/jiWqoY68I+CyThzLtNGtr7ODq2Aio6ACUyZOtNY9G5 wVTW/iSn+b5i/jv4QM1qw23vG38DQBY7QRh39dpvequm X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM5t9W0mmTwEH3GjNyKYPPAW943myP8Qo+NkzoPIzWb54Lza4J1u3pwZbnhQEzjCptz4R4WTOQIcM5YJ17nGXTE= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:47a1:0:b0:236:6f4d:1db3 with SMTP id 1-20020a5d47a1000000b002366f4d1db3mr8147377wrb.383.1667226340982; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 07:25:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <57346CC6-A46B-45D0-A47E-AF96BA95519B@cable.comcast.com> In-Reply-To: <57346CC6-A46B-45D0-A47E-AF96BA95519B@cable.comcast.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 07:25:28 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Livingood, Jason" Cc: "jf@jonathanfoulkes.com" , bloat , libreqos Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] Measuring 5G Bloat (Was 5G going south) X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 14:25:42 -0000 Jason: OK to add a few bleeding edge non-5g fixed wireless networks to the = mix? On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 7:21 AM Livingood, Jason wrote: > > FWIW - I'm working with a few measurement networks and researchers that a= re very soon deploying measurement probes - in the US - on 5G fixed wireles= s access connections and LEO (Starlink). These probes range on the low end = from RIPE Atlas to higher end RPi-based probes. If you are interested in ho= sting one of these probes email me OFF-LIST: > - Your name > - Your shipping address > - Your ISP name [FWA or LEO] > > Some of these researchers are ready to ship probes in a couple of weeks a= nd I'll have a bunch of RIPE Atlas probes ready to ship in about a month. > > Thanks! > Jason > > =EF=BB=BFOn 10/28/22, 17:10, "Bloat on behalf of jf--- via Bloat" wro= te: > > We=E2=80=99ve observed growing variability on some TMHI setups from o= ur fleet, and it seems there is a correlation to usage growth on a single t= ower. Seems neighbors talk to hear other after all ;-) > > And yes, horrible bufferbloat on these variable capacity links. > > > The author switched to verizon, but what guarantees of continued > > reliability does one have? > > It seems none ATM, as it really depends on user density vs tower capa= city. Woe to those that share a tower with a busy highway, =E2=80=98rush ho= ur=E2=80=99 likely means low capacity and even higher latencies. > > Cheers, > > Jonathan Foulkes > > > > On Oct 27, 2022, at 11:37 PM, Dave Taht via Bloat wrote: > > > > This had some details as to the things that could go wrong from an > > initial happy install of t-mobile, to something terrible. > > > > The author switched to verizon, but what guarantees of continued > > reliability does one have? > > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://blog.networkprofile.org/redunda= nt-wan-ditching-t-mobile-5g-for-verizon-5g/__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!DZPmyvCVso3V5VJs= Cmkvtzgtr5uBLoBSFpjGmKungaWqn5HKuLeCMgmCPiPY0rYPhiQN3Dl6jLyoUia5Gx94K7-U5YF= aQA$ > > > > (both services had horrible bufferbloat) > > > > > > -- > > This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_th= e-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!DZPmyvCVso= 3V5VJsCmkvtzgtr5uBLoBSFpjGmKungaWqn5HKuLeCMgmCPiPY0rYPhiQN3Dl6jLyoUia5Gx94K= 79bh-A5Hw$ > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/= bloat__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!DZPmyvCVso3V5VJsCmkvtzgtr5uBLoBSFpjGmKungaWqn5HKuLeCMg= mCPiPY0rYPhiQN3Dl6jLyoUia5Gx94K7_OsL72IQ$ > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bl= oat__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!DZPmyvCVso3V5VJsCmkvtzgtr5uBLoBSFpjGmKungaWqn5HKuLeCMgmC= PiPY0rYPhiQN3Dl6jLyoUia5Gx94K7_OsL72IQ$ > --=20 This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-69813666656= 07352320-FXtz Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC