From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x32c.google.com (mail-wm1-x32c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08CB23B2A4 for ; Tue, 16 May 2023 09:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32c.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-3f42769a0c1so97040015e9.2 for ; Tue, 16 May 2023 06:49:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1684244993; x=1686836993; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=J/C/JLR7+I6G6inf2rg2nniMtSxkIPNXVvjHiLZqZ4g=; b=boSpRlmULHnbdgl1aQ/Dh9AfPPk7FgPmHgDN+s5M6Znbe/Y7OZ2/4hi8hhTIhdw2Th dydW/sji7PBAPq3GfOA7wgEi/kPbj4Yj1mc7ujtBOzx41daYXrX+ic5blGnh19Jdps2y CCxUaqaW10U+ss54pmFfUI+IvUlLQDpsH8R7wlGGPR5Y4xXzv7Nx6RorGmwYIskTuF7r +mBcUxFB2ofeT3V7fQ1yLUIUX0zSUz//XXUUdDLQXoKg+9rCDXlgSg7An5exPz96GK/I zaP2F7WI0feQgpXulyr4qZTkH7ppkq42d9djWaRM9+PY6wO9QiXuKB2/qgyVliHQJ30O M5Iw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1684244993; x=1686836993; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=J/C/JLR7+I6G6inf2rg2nniMtSxkIPNXVvjHiLZqZ4g=; b=Rw8YjmHlxJCmP0kCVWp9LELU6T3IngRv07Qyh9fQ+8U9QV3j1qcsZ2KbaSN+ppphzl yl1DcO0akYTsmAG35xkex6UtdI4pimmbdb73xcAAqjMJQvLR7c+/+DQepVI44ZTRR9wG kQja8iBz1AlAUsO9l/7yBpgghTlPiZBAhJMtnt9w7VRdNF2FTIR3wFHikXExaFBXHCeQ xn3ClvIouNcqor36rBiQVQd+38OvUELDfMG7Vdrp72JGYAaT31X8ht3LmEMsKk/16mBs G6yj1FofPshHv/AANYSeQvZM3Lpli426qRGYfgzVAGPYYGuqFeudctltgGqa3SZBLg3c 76kw== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDyazd1LFHMrT8OKCYqjJufEwFAUIMyObcWYyAQAPNN/BLygzTLN 7dymjBIvMM06Bdthcu3+qqKy9JZKVi7A5h4mw1M2Y0WY X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ7ab07OYpDXSRUJsNRFj68kmoMnCPpyNC1UxQjy2F1jgXFToR+dKZEkINLjePRV4SNRbwS0qtvEkj6nj2GjgZs= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:2292:b0:3f4:fa56:3186 with SMTP id 18-20020a05600c229200b003f4fa563186mr8285958wmf.14.1684244993316; Tue, 16 May 2023 06:49:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 16 May 2023 06:49:40 -0700 Message-ID: To: libreqos Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008a9f3205fbcfd873" Subject: [LibreQoS] Fwd: Do ISP's collect and analyze traffic of users? X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2023 13:49:55 -0000 --0000000000008a9f3205fbcfd873 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Michael Thomas Date: Mon, May 15, 2023, 4:01 PM Subject: Do ISP's collect and analyze traffic of users? To: nanog@nanog.org And maybe try to monetize it? I'm pretty sure that they can be compelled to do that, but do they do it for their own reasons too? Or is this way too much overhead to be doing en mass? (I vaguely recall that netflow, for example, can make routers unhappy if there is too much "flow"). Obviously this is likely to depend on local laws but since this is NANOG we can limit it to here. Mike --0000000000008a9f3205fbcfd873 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com>Date: Mon, May 15, 2023, 4:01 PM
Subject: Do ISP's collect and anal= yze traffic of users?
To: nanog@nanog= .org <nanog@nanog.org>
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And maybe try to monetize it? I'm pretty sure that they can be compelle= d
to do that, but do they do it for their own reasons too? Or is this way too much overhead to be doing en mass? (I vaguely recall that netflow,
for example, can make routers unhappy if there is too much "flow"= ).

Obviously this is likely to depend on local laws but since this is NANOG we can limit it to here.

Mike

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