From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi1-x231.google.com (mail-oi1-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD1233B29D for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2023 16:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oi1-x231.google.com with SMTP id 5614622812f47-3a44cccbd96so4275281b6e.3 for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2023 13:50:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1691527834; x=1692132634; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=uuuKum7xo5H2QKygEgXFp6pQZ33WV5KUpcz2eJoupBw=; b=Mxvq9vjVhGtYjLhJfFYVg/3HuFNQf7ilZjxxD9l4XLdATTPfKSm2m4o/N0o0eK3iwi +TTG60V9bRp9ghVebf7ANlVSOeJg5ZAbf4z8uMrtvYD52/SnXRKSApR5kOexXL2tIcvM /DxG6jFaCPWQ3SBboxFbRrAY58EBf8llkHA3UAxTooNQfoBkq1gLFJV7yoAbIFtSfh5i wrf/h6TNaXnyjdEdp9yY6AnRqL/QBuczhUQp6qIunKZQf7s/6uZb6tP9C2Rr2QajfBLW DkWhdAJ/ncUYq9lNwC4MdKhxeaj1ryaeQ8DyOuUpApFaCvJkAWYpgBFq1dTDPLBvVLwt jDUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691527834; x=1692132634; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=uuuKum7xo5H2QKygEgXFp6pQZ33WV5KUpcz2eJoupBw=; b=jz6JEvkJMJavURyjW653BpTg3bNr7p3VrHijEn1KtQp98Tc7XPCvGzZaqDVpbjUAXU kT+S816mn/HBI/4fs/yfNPyVDpES+ntVYW39b3hOMq7I9q4+LXGkL2AowtRAexU5i79Z 8cbIfzMil9l9+urWEoT8BxfZKdZc2ab9DYuPv0cHPmT3vR/fvjrRK4AsppnVVB1ch2L8 CBHQe6NiNjmpmdSX25z8FCphs01foW2QSDTsWlVU+SKwxQnycH3icH/P69yrYE8mFz53 aNvTMJ/U5+D2cv1uu6iwXbeT3+GgRbFaOemYIqkPWNzQMgUy0VHGMKcIlBYPJD/Iy3F5 9Syw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YylaDx39FwTg/Fz+dsgRSt1VggzglqeeW/IJ9fdFQJasTdVfIqK OJCSKDSBgIWA5fnzpOCrVy0YMaM6SaxqDag48S9b0zR7 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IErCiR0v+wlMQYCj1jiBWfI5dcf1dcfREgQcvxfjM44Kv5gFaL4KBYmYwNoiGa4QWDBQR0TxcQ4FG9qSIz031E= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:3021:b0:3a7:adbc:6f4b with SMTP id ay33-20020a056808302100b003a7adbc6f4bmr1013224oib.3.1691527834590; Tue, 08 Aug 2023 13:50:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <027A3D83-C4DF-4300-A5AB-B28831C5AFDF@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 13:50:22 -0700 Message-ID: To: libreqos Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [LibreQoS] Fwd: [ih] Larry Roberts & RD the first electronic mail manager software [was written in TECO on TENEX] X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2023 20:50:35 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Jack Haverty via Internet-history Date: Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 12:56=E2=80=AFPM Subject: Re: [ih] Larry Roberts & RD the first electronic mail manager software [was written in TECO on TENEX] To: Just a few years ago, I stumbled across an Annual Report that MIT submitted for one year's work in the early 70s. Since I was there at the time, I was curious how history recorded what we were doing then. Looking at the section for our group, I found a description of a revolutionary implementation of a teleconferencing system that allowed people to interact in real time using the ARPANET which had been completed that year. I didn't remember that we had built any teleconferencing system. Of course with age comes memory loss. But I remember lots of stuff we did then, but not a "teleconferencing system". A sign of encroaching dementia...? With further investigation... A bunch of us at MIT in Licklider's group spent a lot of hours getting multi-player MazeWar running on our fancy new Imlac minicomputers. Someone added a feature where players could trash-talk each other with a shared screen space trying to lure them into an ambush or gloat on another kill. MazeWars of course had nothing to do with whatever research we were doing. Gettings MazeWar going was just a lot of fun. We all thought MazeWars was just a cool hack and extremely addictive game. If curious, see https://www.digibarn.com/collections/games/xerox-maze-war/index.html But the experience did reveal, to me at least, the importance of latency, and the difficulties of getting a bunch of computers to interact over a network. Imlacs had no I/O except RS232. So, our "LAN" was a star-shaped configuration with Imlac minicomputers connected via RS232 to our PDP-10 as the center of the star (7 floors away), and I had goosed the RS232 hardware well beyond its spec to achieve almost 100 kb/sec. I tried to convince BBN to upgrade the TIP hardware to support higher speed "terminals", but was rebuffed -- "The TIP supports terminals up to the maximum reasonable speed of 9600 bits/second." MIT's Annual Report touted Maze as a "teleconferencing system". Jack -- Internet-history mailing list Internet-history@elists.isoc.org https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history --=20 Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbxmoBr4cBKg Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos