From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pg1-x533.google.com (mail-pg1-x533.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::533]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D12D33B29D for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2023 20:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pg1-x533.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-55b0e7efb1cso3585594a12.1 for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2023 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1691539267; x=1692144067; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=wmoZAWZ4VLRRcg3WUas2cKp4cN2eAMZuD6T8sG7h8bM=; b=cbI+uyw/HPUPtceNpqDjnrxVIVJhnnotVtOfSWDQq+Sj95No5ANYF9AuvShALN5qs8 mRCqZ6hmOLpkBjSZ9vUT+W15s4bRe8qBwM29aQ0rWUH+WrkM/uI93pq8ddeznVnrEx/1 DjdUgjJ39DlfY/6YHBNQpLFAIUog/b5ZtbdIsjhjs6a3uxE0/9Lms5KRaOcd8e5nfNd4 q8mcPKApuRRzRmqAUgM1MTHuOv7UelBAklZ9Hs+TGNPCJPfxsf2KNf2D7ZMiNYWsnEP1 Zgkg0CNC01DgR+dCx6ki5TS8vk5Dthe2VVyeBn2C30triaXDKKnEvSbChXEam93fULYI 4ajw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691539267; x=1692144067; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=wmoZAWZ4VLRRcg3WUas2cKp4cN2eAMZuD6T8sG7h8bM=; b=cdQg06duziuW46ss3iDf+RVBM6P+Dm7YLi74svM5vzamEQmaLBXs1Mg8QkylEGntKF uAEOlWtV5Ttys8h4sH3ay9Ff0IRgIplpJFRzJ3ZlF8MVhRysZ2xnA4Kxi/LP1+07Q/A0 Pz5OJuFgLnZpdwrWUCMaM6+Rtp3kJuTGvjJf+SQzSpRm5R3m5P+IUPf4wJnf6OpfyE4t qb1PuqZbpAMpGB+p45wLGPY4aq5siEq+tpwpSgI6I03/YsN57WQLT4IL8VBVlLj3dQ2d 51NoEOSJfMQjbxJXT0cbh1uMSaGyMrgvicCymlxKJKOc3g7ObLpo4xqGZG3rvu6gMLGW HgeA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwsMQ7MIHaXTgpcceDKaCSB1l5/5hZTW1Pgxxo6utDCBYjJWDD2 eXALjANmbu9EULQfXta90Y60sQSZdV2sv+UoPDYySBN4 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGEn8725hkB3yeyuQOXKOq0teIo0egE0xxzauwpWiriVgSan+0wJCmyUAsRE8nL68QMbtcx2/H5kdkvrBa/rw0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:1187:b0:268:2543:723 with SMTP id gk7-20020a17090b118700b0026825430723mr909855pjb.5.1691539267092; Tue, 08 Aug 2023 17:01:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <957394611.2245.1691528126393.JavaMail.mhammett@Thunderfuck2> <1521535877.2256.1691528896540.JavaMail.mhammett@Thunderfuck2> In-Reply-To: <1521535877.2256.1691528896540.JavaMail.mhammett@Thunderfuck2> From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:00:55 -0700 Message-ID: To: libreqos Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000023850d0602722d42" Subject: [LibreQoS] Fwd: Last Mile ISP Quality Measurements X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2023 00:01:09 -0000 --00000000000023850d0602722d42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Mike Hammett Date: Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 2:34=E2=80=AFPM Subject: Last Mile ISP Quality Measurements To: NANOG What are other last mile ISPs doing to measure the quality of their connections? We all know pinging various destinations. We also all know that pinging a destination doesn't necessarily tell you the whole quality story. I currently have Smokeping pulling the HTTPS for about 20 - 25 of the "top" websites, per the old Alexa rankings. I feel as though I could be doing more. I am more closely wanting to emulate the end-user experience in a repeatable, quantifiable fashion. I'd like to do A/B comparisons as well. When I make X change, how does it change? If I'm already doing the low-hanging fruit path, then so be it. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP --=20 Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbxmoBr4cBKg Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos --00000000000023850d0602722d42 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net><= br>Date: Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 2:34=E2=80=AFPM
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What are other last mile ISPs doing to measure the quality of th= eir connections? We all know pinging various destinations. We also all know= that pinging a destination doesn't necessarily tell you the whole qual= ity story.

I currently have Smokeping pulling the HTTPS = for about 20 - 25 of the "top" websites, per the old Alexa rankin= gs. I feel as though I could be doing more. I am more closely wanting to em= ulate the end-user experience in a repeatable, quantifiable fashion. I'= d like to do A/B comparisons as well. When I make X change, how does it cha= nge?


If I'm already doing the l= ow-hanging fruit path, then so be it.

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