From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd2e.google.com (mail-io1-xd2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DFE53CB37; Sat, 14 Oct 2023 19:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2e.google.com with SMTP id ca18e2360f4ac-76c64da0e46so131842339f.0; Sat, 14 Oct 2023 16:02:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697324532; x=1697929332; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=jbPp7jL1MV0lsnQsSv5qkdela0qaZSSsKMNzBgB/byM=; b=NlSv5dhbMcdLqwMjiO091KnLNeWP2QiNSvXLe161kg4hZLt2IplUoPIRMS6jQk1Cnw /HHjmXpilHDo2HewO7BIbZqRGq7ilV8QJHbl+Ts335rIOGFDK29cqmAeRdNR5Exz8JZE T9q14emPoWfLcFH3l8x9uxBCzaqQOg6ww40AnHOTHTJdmrnDOZYozu3scwn4s8mNF+Wi ncOismyRdFao4CxRcqFq3AuEsekNj3Y6AH36EbjJOebrXrwr0ROFqoifB+BRbYr57kaR EzEoVQ0MJdC3PauIy1YofulCrT2KCcOP8IB7P+O7oN/omPmo2m4bo+shM0DV/HCIKjYe gm4w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697324532; x=1697929332; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=jbPp7jL1MV0lsnQsSv5qkdela0qaZSSsKMNzBgB/byM=; b=el3zNKoo8SoplxxuCG8c1uFxnz6tb4eUm+W/Zhllo7lid9q8fYYzkqj5St9TLNUsjT SD2Iot2WTpdVc4qzig8uRhQQYu745EaK+JFPz6vwHlaWrhux8dW1mSSaz20rIBm1RGo7 GYlRTn/+ogbI/Wz2pwphz34QuzgjwPGn987NjVGnY6JB79p0LtjcJj4akeFwYxcFeoGj BQ/OVSZyf+fU/1zEINaBR6ScA0WkRyJ77AylKMpQi4HZSrACvq+TwKbLfBSu7bXqjToa lmbZm95WFzOA2va4EVltd6Yo7xgD6IO7GjUGBYC1yNqUZD1GbTjzVMBZ/QLA/1mLD0s4 TRlg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxDueBEf0VkhGwr/TnGHEVqieEiTYYYDvzST6kqe93QK1cAxwXB 2mtSyHehpdd9V3bB2tDHtc4dHKF9Jb4uwTiHF8EyIDflpkE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGYAkgEeiodYOVE+5l70hDdW1xPj9dGf+gDEOjcqN8b3TmhmPm5p3aExMLVHt/KZvo3WOpxOijCzQMGcLAlQ2c= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d992:0:b0:357:5d8b:719b with SMTP id r18-20020a92d992000000b003575d8b719bmr7098304iln.9.1697324532321; Sat, 14 Oct 2023 16:02:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2023 16:01:54 -0700 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= , libreqos , NANOG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [LibreQoS] transit and peering costs projections X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2023 23:02:13 -0000 This set of trendlines was very interesting. Unfortunately the data stops in 2015. Does anyone have more recent data? https://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-And-= Projected.php I believe a gbit circuit that an ISP can resell still runs at about $900 - $1.4k (?) in the usa? How about elsewhere? ... I am under the impression that many IXPs remain very successful, states without them suffer, and I also find the concept of doing micro IXPs at the city level, appealing, and now achievable with cheap gear. Finer grained cross connects between telco and ISP and IXP would lower latencies across town quite hugely... PS I hear ARIN is planning on dropping the price for, and bundling 3 BGP AS numbers at a time, as of the end of this year, also. --=20 Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.htm= l Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos