From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x42a.google.com (mail-wr1-x42a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7830E3B29D for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2022 01:58:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wr1-x42a.google.com with SMTP id n3so1860730wrp.5 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:58:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=tm7AgynaYgOPnpgq9Duyn9MEEyiCyuXCoopfrpk1rZY=; b=giObeKIBl8hNc//Mf0tiUajdhoFzELiQB++poBnT1Q2GiT83pMInlK0hswcVKoN+/g 6uZctscaU0gD7W6VklAa1piA80mkCfRy8lG3enEALOpt0tc1+zNW5xuBWtrJawdftTc1 hUulRp/pBFgeYpYJtI+uzmK01xEISrC5neUWDUVi9uuKnUgHi1DjFpykpKW5O/nT64OG B7mWTW6U+hJeQGoEGageZzGIJAQEh4DnwoEV7RqKgsHpASBe5DEC0fZ8Sq4tr0TrWeB9 VB2OReTs4l4ZYTURCO4hAWY6Su3h9u3pdXbZaRc4e6CUXSNFgZ+AzFS0guJ7zBX9j4yP hv4A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=tm7AgynaYgOPnpgq9Duyn9MEEyiCyuXCoopfrpk1rZY=; b=0QJdBc3Te3d0qm2wOKOm0i6BHc2fXcMthEXOvmG/TwoVpjwu/rRy7IoUAiBoNvD/oN +HC4XyoZIt+rgIWq9BNnKHlqV+Zd+unjfRCktBQgirDQ88GtLpEgFzLLIXaOQw3D+T2O WWv7Lj9HgQB7LKOqtx0aIV1bFapOdl52ueYltAIXtBR/RS8xTXfmU4Inz8uPV4YK/2QQ 9p+DuzYD8Ly+MJz+qc6uoRwArQl9sPDFoxRuF406Ucu7Q3b2Ezvdk7BccJnmLA8cnejC QzI52Cg0SlpjqgtqJ2/n1mYX9fGGeXZiipCgdkIUUo/AhMDfur4XKA6ixALKVyJ03Dlu jZuQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pnzLhfk1vtoUdFLeh5DDpK1rZgkpM9U9N+dEuGHuQ+stLwcR/PF o6lpORHtiNoT3it1X0fSrwwWeP/rcf4fQMqq/0lg/b5L X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf4sRBibsXEey/pJYDY+vGUh1FvHmUjz9hrK6XUsiUx77ESHweFHas4puxVc4kA8fyXDASkJa6j7u1ypc/cTTsA= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:544f:0:b0:241:d7b1:470f with SMTP id w15-20020a5d544f000000b00241d7b1470fmr52269wrv.500.1669013889603; Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:58:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6376757B.5060906@jmaimon.com> <3bbf43bb-e137-c95c-cff6-44f0e8e05e0d@tinka.africa> <63777027.3000302@jmaimon.com> <7e66e85a-fc26-a980-7f0d-599469633417@tinka.africa> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:57:56 -0800 Message-ID: To: libreqos Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000003df8b05edf59427" Subject: [LibreQoS] 500/household X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 06:58:11 -0000 --00000000000003df8b05edf59427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Eric Kuhnke Date: Sun, Nov 20, 2022, 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above To: Mark Tinka Cc: If I had a dollar for every person who has lived their entire life in a high-income western country (US, Canada, western Europe, etc) and has zero personal experience in developing-nation telecom/ISP operations and their unique operational requirements, yet thinks they've qualified to offer an opinion on it... People should go look at some of the WISPs in the Philippines for an example of ISPs building last and middle mile infrastructure on extremely limited budgets. Or really just about anywhere else where the residential broadband market has households where the entire household monthly income is the equivalent of $500 USD. On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 at 04:59, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 11/19/22 05:50, Abraham Y. Chen wrote: > > > Dear Owen: > > > > 1) "... Africa ... They don=E2=80=99t really have a lot of alternatives= . ...": > > Actually, there is, simple and in plain sight. Please have a look at > > the below IETF Draft: > > It's most amusing, to me, how Africa needs to be told how to be... > > Some folk just can't help themselves. > > Mark. > --00000000000003df8b05edf59427 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Nov 20, 2022, 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Alternati= ve Re: ipv4/25s and above
To: Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa>
Cc= : <nanog@nanog.org>
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If I had a dollar for every = person who has lived their entire life in a high-income western country (US= , Canada, western Europe, etc) and has zero personal experience in developi= ng-nation telecom/ISP operations and their unique operational requirements,= yet thinks they've qualified to offer an opinion on it...=C2=A0

People should go look at some of the WISPs in the P= hilippines for an example of ISPs building last and middle mile infrastruct= ure on extremely limited budgets. Or really just about anywhere else where = the residential broadband market has households where the entire household = monthly income is the equivalent of $500 USD.



On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 at 04:59, Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa&g= t; wrote:


On 11/19/22 05:50, Abraham Y. Chen wrote:

> Dear Owen:
>
> 1) "... Africa ... They don=E2=80=99t really have a lot of altern= atives. ...":
> Actually, there is, simple and in plain sight. Please have a look at <= br> > the below IETF Draft:

It's most amusing, to me, how Africa needs to be told how to be...

Some folk just can't help themselves.

Mark.
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