From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x435.google.com (mail-wr1-x435.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::435]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28FD73B2A4 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2022 11:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x435.google.com with SMTP id cl5so3342385wrb.9 for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2022 08:40:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=ioMExlStb52/lPRWUkcMrqUIWyznSRtAcstGrrp/l+g=; b=nC5bTsaw2R7Igtig8gNtvf6YJMet/HJBwWXnqC0eqNT13BReEJK7NjTrTW00qpI8db jf+az4LH/VR1K14DXHXUWWfIqCiK0igSteIhyJ778bqDmJSdjiwL6W6nFZ2/UO38DZ0G 2GoRVuu0aLyZ2GVMPE1A4hW+f1aJaKTDgxefuSelIaZIAw4gZ5OgTGXrBFWvMSvtYRe0 ShvkVwR6SX+2ELnhn07tPHDmdcfhyqesj6LxYOblOWJBDeBaSf0vuwFR/Z6szUEBpS++ 2z1HabbILQq4UCZnoahSWop3wJPEEB2ZzIIJDGkUF1Btm5lRMwFl7XZhlROFHmE/CG3t NETw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ioMExlStb52/lPRWUkcMrqUIWyznSRtAcstGrrp/l+g=; b=5O5SwlZMI7TaLwp7Fsk9EpGl7D3G78CD45Q+fkhM8/vmQrlz7gGFRDeb04bxzkuxOs B2GTjtWvZHIH2S4uHaiJzrQaosMj2piFhdvqmrIyaYts4Saq/EbbHWdpefD4hqG3IrGG SUhsj49O1BDzEaF18YV79K8ceuuwDu5GmN0PRrun4q5IGYmaipcMr+c2Csh8cDWR81GG B9XKa7boO7cu8Z+QPg/GQCmEsWhNAxjmoXXeuA0ZNxigwUd9hwBiyi4jQ4d2SeI+G7h0 8XgKHQxjiWQRK+E2Do5FC6L5jkuka4Yww+aZv58/EUrzyHXRORmB7SsT1hm2pKwTMW6o L5nw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf15ilmJBvToY2HeLIhXSHALc18k3r/rg80lueEXoPDSAN0h97DG gsK43Hw5trK4uujBX5mLCw1EzR6EnKp53omZetcNDCo3 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM6pVrH/FlIKdFeEM5isHg/EMBxfsaKJtULOWiF69/I6QTtKOx5o7wG1r2JGfwGyrGpMiHhXPy08MtCKSCHtNlM= X-Received: by 2002:adf:f242:0:b0:236:68ef:e76e with SMTP id b2-20020adff242000000b0023668efe76emr19780016wrp.482.1667490024424; Thu, 03 Nov 2022 08:40:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19489474.2624258.1667409611325@mail.yahoo.com> <21fbf849-4706-5dfe-be7d-ab08b9651234@dcrocker.net> <496396e1-35eb-93ea-de65-8f570d165568@tamu.edu> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 08:40:12 -0700 Message-ID: To: libreqos Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [LibreQoS] Fwd: [ih] The linux router project and wifi routers X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2022 15:40:26 -0000 cisco days were fun... ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: the keyboard of geoff goodfellow via Internet-history Date: Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [ih] The linux router project and wifi routers To: Guy Almes Cc: , Internet-history , Dave Crocker in furtherance of Guy's relating that "... It was neat being able to call cisco to report a bug, getting a sngle-digit-employee-number person to answer the call and have a new version of the software without the bug by close of business that day..." it was related to yours truly -- by a "a sngle-digit-employee-number person" -- when we were driving by Len & Sandy's house one day in Menlo Park that the "secret" to cisco's expeditious customer support was (1) that the entire engineering staff was on the customer support email address and thus would see customer "issues" as they were reported and would thereby directly attend to their "fixage" as they came in and (2) that the 24/7 800 # phone line -- after hours -- rang a phone at Len's bedside... geoff On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 8:07 AM Guy Almes via Internet-history < internet-history@elists.isoc.org> wrote: > Dave, > The word I heard went into some detail on the discounts, but I recall > wondering why no mention was made of equity. I hope your memory is > correct and that Stanford did get some equity. > So, in itself, the "Stanford thought about suing them but didn't" > story is not very interesting. > The more interesting thing would be why they were upset at cisco. > Particularly given Tom's account stating that cisco had received a > license during 1986. > > By the way, I still recall my initial visit to cisco in March 1987. > At the time, all of cisco was in a suite of offices and lab space on the > second floor of a nondescript building in Menlo Park. Len Bosack met me > and stressed (a) the advanced nature of their routers vis a vis the > competition and (b) his ambition for cisco. Even though the office > suite was loosely furnished, his Board Room included a map of the world. > > We ended up placing a huge (seven routers) order with cisco and I > never regretted it. It was neat being able to call cisco to report a > bug, getting a sngle-digit-employee-number person to answer the call and > have a new version of the software without the bug by close of business > that day. Needless to say, that didn't last for more than a year or so. > > But I also recall friends at Stanford being very critical of the > cisco-Stanford relationship during this period, so it's definitely > Internet history of interest. > > -- Guy > > On 11/3/22 9:05 AM, Dave Crocker via Internet-history wrote: > > On 11/3/2022 5:52 AM, Guy Almes via Internet-history wrote: > >> During spring 1987, however, when I was shopping for routers for an > >> NSFnet regional network, I was made aware of quite a bit of > >> uncertainty about whether Stanford was going to sue cisco over some > >> Intellectual Property issues. Evidently there was a settlement that > >> gave Stanford a discount on buying cisco routers. > > > > Adding to the rumors... > > > > At the time, I heard all of the above, with the closure being that the > > settlement was Stanford's getting some cisco shares. > > > > d/ > > > > -- > > Dave Crocker > > Brandenburg InternetWorking > > bbiw.net > > > > -- > > Internet-history mailing list > > Internet-history@elists.isoc.org > > -- Geoff.Goodfellow@iconia.com living as The Truth is True -- Internet-history mailing list Internet-history@elists.isoc.org https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history --=20 This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-69813666656= 07352320-FXtz Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC