From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pg1-x530.google.com (mail-pg1-x530.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::530]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D4F73B2A4 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2023 11:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pg1-x530.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-55ba5fae2e6so4291950a12.0 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2023 08:30:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1689089412; x=1691681412; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=WkuXZP08V14ynWW1iV7ja3k+ofpGo2+icc+2eVg/5mw=; b=hAbS0ZrE8vS7Mdq+ZJH+rd7bOsuzcRlIpzOJ+8SQudysT282xI3xu/Rl0R7qg9X7BQ Ra5Cl6TTHw1SuESxtBg419Z/ePV8cZJkhbzwbk16Gbh9pUSqvMyM2FmolTxIwUiUL48C Mj9oHANGG9D9jAxOLBO0LDZS9405PEB0pWZiTvketIoivgKMhoPPIahPnVljqEFZurjZ iVBXoIeAA6f+kxDxEIxPJY164ZVWcJSUO2J8kw5cLpXiFvAtDIvkqs9tqpnz6/3E6348 iU56nc0zmitovwzEtV2a5+w2C6iEtflgwHL6em0+BONruyF5vlnT+p/NzyJsDLDtFnvN shzA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1689089412; x=1691681412; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=WkuXZP08V14ynWW1iV7ja3k+ofpGo2+icc+2eVg/5mw=; b=elhWlN/PgkGrpQtUhLaFNVQusO32d63b8UNDFj4U4Eqpn4TK5qso7vaK0wz4vSlQgz oAo3+eY3Z0TRzsAcuG0Qwliq+eUZatyKk0ZeWWCwsVQacXVUwZp2/6MJms724mVuuuLe XpK5OgIH5ILvzxe26/ksio20qJHMwv6/r6MoM4WZi+FahCKa2cUtrJsY2FPg9oFFHYXR ZyQMyvI/kRebLvg9WfZUaDOC+cahWWCQSF9lkQhCip+QNkTHvYrR7WZ+U7N3dxT+TSRl lqNr7iUZIPJ5LWxaHesqsejXCGHwaf05aY+IYhH5lWFvsVWr00cfm8W6FvlssRp/5P/B B4Xw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLZ4SGQbgU2rSeyGVV0gD2lqmBGDet4WYh6Kd5VrihpRxmT4I1Ip Dh66E5ON8bb83eHhqCg0D0wj9NYF3Dk/Uxg89nIpPO6mHnE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlGqumQHFc+eofj+VjXXCKUSVSjCKoeR2z2smriTltBVlKPyChIfvjvNI8Lnmghs0S37/ak2uAAwQWy67UDH11I= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:a06:b0:262:e598:6046 with SMTP id gg6-20020a17090b0a0600b00262e5986046mr17093652pjb.28.1689089412249; Tue, 11 Jul 2023 08:30:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9579202856.3@informz.net> <6D3D2EAA-88E9-4E0E-8967-AE33853B8F42@carmickle.com> <61385F96-B1B4-4FED-A035-7932905D30C4@carmickle.com> In-Reply-To: <61385F96-B1B4-4FED-A035-7932905D30C4@carmickle.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 09:30:00 -0600 Message-ID: To: Frank Carmickle Cc: Dave Taht via LibreQoS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] Got BEAD? Looking for a turnkey partner to help streamline the next steps? X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 15:30:13 -0000 The simplest possible thing is SFP on an OLT that actually sends ethernet pause frames when the local buffer has enough data, which so far as I can tell from looking at GPON specs is about 250us . That would let a router on the other side of it, just run good ole fq_codel + BQL without needing any shaping there. That exist?