From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x434.google.com (mail-wr1-x434.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::434]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CE073CB39 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2023 20:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x434.google.com with SMTP id q19so14344732wrc.5 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2023 17:34:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1680136452; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=q/U7PPICBvJYPKGTaZO7cRBiZ4Dt+jdP3+RdnSbLoMg=; b=brZBZhE2bx2bFZwHkklycjZBgqGJ2Y1Uha3e84KzMKLyNKth9XeT+qshmlfHbEQTWa 8OVVm55uK4ua+hQqz1TBCX/ZCiLVGZNNM0wsk9wLWuqAV3/Ta10TAYCY/j41995M1sse r1KCT9F7qht3ZkfujmlPZD+GEibHgPFB7M15xhWCWghi+iNZEDfDB7HxnC5jVpQ4m0ru hTxcVZV/mIpBwRkocgzN9+fYhP0nQiTHfkNZ/T0LKYzxXcuefA0NYFrw48fQupg/ZzxM yvFfdVNjc8tfqrpv56qq1vrSxAXcHnU7NCs4bviVNUkQTt+c0jn43tRzR192TI1vA2l7 xs0g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1680136452; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=q/U7PPICBvJYPKGTaZO7cRBiZ4Dt+jdP3+RdnSbLoMg=; b=s8YBU/Ty7jIQ5A66MJo2CXjxYTgXZJN0RcWuFDJeGJM6ByTVhHOK0S+du6xXOz7739 54jRvsk/gc/WC33vcuSb6Z7T9saoDPm4v1AipaNcZ/p5AzJHhzhH8eDCPfl+ez3xg9Ok GFK09ZOZsKUCJt4JB9NXNFuOZEGPGYWoeqWHx+6iYd189aKFJuY6b6OY2/BD7JePTUym tr1NKqpAtYWd2vYaXDSmEEnLULBGgNLZZhsTUSUHrx2IS44hEul9Hiabyjze8vy9b2qL DmGFkWgdS9G2cwYw3uUae1Y/kEDjA/haf1G8HfdP7d1pDDpzkUcecQ2x4FQjXHJk9udL H7Zw== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9d5pPO3szYVJ8s/2uxY82/aN0RWd1rUWx+gWxVF54O849PlmtOE RuipHayEKNpyc0G5l7JJGTYZwrSYabt/IftpaCQJAIxa+T4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350boovqkro6V3szsTqKd3xJQv2X2JgURcrzgC5nta9p8PFgGY/XzuHPhnkdOmnvVAWbJ4M7kQQH717yc9wRQTqw= X-Received: by 2002:adf:e4d1:0:b0:2cf:e995:afef with SMTP id v17-20020adfe4d1000000b002cfe995afefmr4344292wrm.13.1680136451792; Wed, 29 Mar 2023 17:34:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2023 17:34:00 -0700 Message-ID: To: libreqos Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [LibreQoS] Fwd: [AusNOG] curious about lessons learned from your fiber rollouts? X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 00:34:13 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: John Edwards Date: Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 5:22=E2=80=AFPM Subject: Re: [AusNOG] curious about lessons learned from your fiber rollout= s? To: Dave Taht Cc: My tips: Rural networks are economically tentative at the best of times, they are low density and the majority of the demographic that they serve don't have disposable income for tech entertainment. Government funding likes to be directed to announceables, and nobody announces a maintenance plan. Budget accordingly. Driving time for maintenance personnel is going to become the majority of your operating budget. Build networks to be bulletproof and have no need for maintenance, and consider that the added expense of a ring topology or diverse path might still cost less than a single unscheduled callout by a contractor. For a rural network, redundant systems buy time to attend to outages on more relaxed timelines. Fixed wireless - is all about waterproofing, be it customer rooftops, cabling joints or especially equipment shelters. - rigging teams are at the mercy of safety standards, weather and personal leave, so you can't expect more than 100 days/year of productive work - a certain type of person wants to climb towers all day, and they may not be productive if you try and force them into a soft office environment on the other days of the year Fibre Networks - use a conduit that is a size larger than you need. If you have any kind of success you're going to need a second cable in that conduit at some point, even if it's just to do a graceful upgrade - always use a fibre cleaning kit - with single-fibre optics (ie: BX), put the transceiver that sends at a lower frequency at the far end. This gives you a chance to spot the difference between a fibre fault and a power fault John On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 at 02:19, Dave Taht wrote: > > I am doing an AMA friday, in part about the $70B dollar USA NTIA > broadband and BEAD programs, which are largely targetted at improving > rural access to the internet. The target audience is one with which I > am mostly unfamiliar, the directors of the 50 US states administering > these programs. > > I am very interested about what y'all have learned about how to roll > out fiber and fixed wireless right, in your country, so far, and what > could be done better, in mine. > > Please let me know what you think here, (links to studies would be > great, too) > > and/or come heckle! > > -- > AMA March 31: https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog --=20 AMA March 31: https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC