From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x32f.google.com (mail-wm1-x32f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB81D3CB37 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2022 17:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id t1so238087wmi.4 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2022 14:21:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=/k2hK9yHIFBohW9uTRtX5aEldtH0IasjurOFcCgsiFI=; b=DF6Pk8JnCKkiIqeBJ29H0Q0wPEN//stXrfWi2ghGEy+Y+HKdX0tHirH+GlaJJXr5Hj EubRI+/Y98PG+BSVvv+ocq/Dv7mGUwvL1N6PmeqiK4Hr+osx3sjetb09JN284OqZTEOg 4pL0t0KVdpOS66h/uxhiNNJvXlKmfMrKP2NT+68APKyyHx1uOraxODnZ7qtXwMMSAgZ9 rM2lycHRlHQh1+v0y8gEMqlFAw8ulrN22GetIQuMh9Oo2Gd9NRMHugWc6Km3IxqpzXVL QeWzTjQbUB4A/RMHVD0H8mpYN6UCrsxz+JTZLbfowB546SwLcFwuAX8RMVClQ41kIltC 9Dmw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=/k2hK9yHIFBohW9uTRtX5aEldtH0IasjurOFcCgsiFI=; b=yEnx4mtoVuQX/AusVo7+93/yJccGSYhjP8M9ZD95la4mmcEQ4huTHOolMk526YipJA ZOoTcbaoMUrc8FBRJ9SEA+2UevyfEVTNlCvvFy29JzvZe9Vs+pE3QbqmtQ1f3CqQtv1V w6BpXKuatnUy4bzL/3kuPBC39Y4hmfq2Neb/183spzCkFyjCmU323xFddXHehB2qq4jB CN8AxzHUNylsXDIwnvlJgr7ESpH+GlBeVx5WVen+/BRm5NG1YdMddXAfN6JExC75/Dr+ z7H0z2/X/y6bj8A9TpzwIXRwUgA0ScknfGVP/9pIo4NWEzc6REe7tgZuvnzBsryxfrMc 2Eew== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf2bYT/i1o9LbSS+h24p0hLBzb0KaeWkcwbEAH7PlfLK0jbtUUW7 glD4kjm/InQEYucE0FlLDCOfe/gSsmbY4geZvatZQ6M1 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM52CCJQ/xNV08EZLOnPN53pjnF0JGu6xptX05tFwWOdqNjWJBcA7SBqKX9TpPtX3xGbHaD69rofsW+yZw3rL9k= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c3c4:0:b0:3c4:785a:36d7 with SMTP id t4-20020a7bc3c4000000b003c4785a36d7mr11024006wmj.138.1666992086773; Fri, 28 Oct 2022 14:21:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 14:21:14 -0700 Message-ID: To: "jf@jonathanfoulkes.com" , libreqos Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] [Bloat] where home 5G can go south X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 21:21:28 -0000 On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 2:10 PM jf@jonathanfoulkes.com wrote: > > We=E2=80=99ve observed growing variability on some TMHI setups from our f= leet, and it seems there is a correlation to usage growth on a single tower= . Seems neighbors talk to hear other after all ;-) I keep wondering what it will take for evenroute to make more of it's tools available. Samknows and ookla are not really talking about what they are embedding on so many devices. > > And yes, horrible bufferbloat on these variable capacity links. > > > The author switched to verizon, but what guarantees of continued > > reliability does one have? > > It seems none ATM, as it really depends on user density vs tower capacity= . Woe to those that share a tower with a busy highway, =E2=80=98rush hour= =E2=80=99 likely means low capacity and even higher latencies. > > Cheers, > > Jonathan Foulkes > > > > On Oct 27, 2022, at 11:37 PM, Dave Taht via Bloat wrote: > > > > This had some details as to the things that could go wrong from an > > initial happy install of t-mobile, to something terrible. > > > > The author switched to verizon, but what guarantees of continued > > reliability does one have? > > > > https://blog.networkprofile.org/redundant-wan-ditching-t-mobile-5g-for-= verizon-5g/ > > > > (both services had horrible bufferbloat) > > > > > > -- > > This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: > > https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366= 665607352320-FXtz > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --=20 This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-69813666656= 07352320-FXtz Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC