From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x429.google.com (mail-wr1-x429.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::429]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 075F33B29D for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2023 04:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wr1-x429.google.com with SMTP id bk16so23042219wrb.11 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2023 01:33:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=QWLZW5seqaRBzF/RaGoHQqhsebvvpVlcOW6qK+9jWI0=; b=iRbwI2SzsDH2eSYkS/TZKimpSTE5vP2iDS6D6Le5NfhuGk4m/xz8wn0Cdp90dUIRjB 5dfk2J/cd1VtjgkZpVksUh/2ApyKiPUnzJGTQs3OdKbEBAyxeGO00GJvy9UmHSOL03J5 /LUBFh1KMsnKkOHnWD8QPZZwqIxxAqQgSEFmd81Q7CM1KdzHGmA1NrpBBxl5XNoYUw5Z fBtC94vbz17YgIR75mrgmx8j4NjSp+NtRTrlGeS5i1dmh2mQJVOmXrh7pmJy3I/Jpoov ilEiYfDVowIRZY20PxXQ8My5bae4EmaY2E0NWSIAXwHnX2Y3q+lQkzIKpjmOFXpGKP4V 5uew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=QWLZW5seqaRBzF/RaGoHQqhsebvvpVlcOW6qK+9jWI0=; b=HD7enAqScOud9GKHlzipqfOul/KbAKklpzLOIbEobTvGW/HeXc2KAUzxgtL0hVy771 rYof2vYh9kuPUY0DEv9to4EL/bApDnyMfosgbVGkYR1CBiOcqxW9VLgBTahTVu/qjebG v9N4OxHlkT6Y/P+rM2jr0jsS3K1tHj8SL+GgPKnCAFLTXe5zbz+2VDywwua9gBZB4pDA O0OZDXYClEk/nJ6igahPe2odgdfETfy1JfE96VNrH09GiO6bHVmlj3bn1TEkE0F1wdf/ Y+GBi/6MqEJGootiD/cWnn3kUqZzPH9F19TEuGgUKYeYpiQqQGx9g0kh94Zd27YkTK4I TGWQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kqos03GHwpqIpxmmPCsOAWllSViYNUaKFEiDvkBL4tFIudIJXqy 1RKCi9h7idqxV8RQ8UcHyaRPpKGGs50/zU/U/Ph6ObbDUoE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXtqwQeyP7i3nvd+vDHz0QhZt+IsIDRZCWfbrug1yUDxhsTDpeQNNcPFJJUOM3U7TO0uRp8FcU3JDPtKf1I/xeU= X-Received: by 2002:adf:c78c:0:b0:254:ca76:90a4 with SMTP id l12-20020adfc78c000000b00254ca7690a4mr2963077wrg.482.1673688821123; Sat, 14 Jan 2023 01:33:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 01:33:30 -0800 Message-ID: To: libreqos Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [LibreQoS] Geoff's old rant about QoS X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 09:33:43 -0000 https://www.potaroo.net/presentations/2012-09-24-qos.pdf Why I'm always harping on flow queuing - get maximum entropy for all the tr= affic codel/cobalt - shoot at (or mark and delay) the fattest flows win. Networks that can still carry voice traffic when there's only 1/100th the capacity left, without classic differentiation. --=20 This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-69813666656= 07352320-FXtz Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC