From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yw1-x1130.google.com (mail-yw1-x1130.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F5F63B2A4 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 11:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-yw1-x1130.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-36ad4cf9132so69214367b3.6 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 08:16:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=53UbBgTvfSe/fRfIep0RFl2LQ7dKArsbpgIBnaV+1NU=; b=HV5C7Blv3ptG89zTNcyS7mUzYoJpriP3WBNlkhqsV1ulR6Zl9pLyMZpAzLmrFoTp2y WoyTkHPetzSxaXBdjDrUNPQKZdT+mkEtBNqXBWJM3yXQC8kXDF1kmz+JjQSK/UGcsASN w6TTyypm4x3CYV9D4SkmCgkIFiNLLhjKivgwlUX/hcx9Jqs0O0kmacSzLDCJQdzx2wiT hyUE+V/pDjNm+UD+ZTS6BkRuxScQtrmLcafZQsBBKGZaVyr5sqS6njHiiEYXfgLggZHq l24uMwY50/Lc5HzxW9iTptyGoC29Ij2gw5ZVW5OUY4vAtH58gp5AueG9klmHGzRjS8NR KPXA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=53UbBgTvfSe/fRfIep0RFl2LQ7dKArsbpgIBnaV+1NU=; b=fj4/T51+RotDWCfNzZlAboP1wVgqQ0fgFyYKpkPBr8qaZo59ByBc+r2NONek1ybbbH 2yMpREsmcBMs8MSKgHO7XmJiTv/JU9UR3VU+fSaFfgiDTDI932Hicb8XAdigNDL3h3k2 Ga4S1l6EKExCK8zd8IWRqNuT99OwDgOpKnLo63AzxNChKlUMuZj5BX0Q+CUreBs3FLxF 5MrB0RcDMm+XDLLpV+nF5SQwgIqktDdpDr6Wb7dznhwRIxhcfdyxjgw0iZpcOW7ei9Cn JSOeLVXBlGgs4lhM5gmX+jlIGcseNnx5VFAFMt+xYTRPeaJaIRsNMJM3JHO1fcnCr3YK tklA== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pnqLgJCATvHZ3Ln5Pav1HeSM+ZUPYMM5XtKv9Bc/vxjyzsEvhQH C4Hbpwy/e7Q3pCeyvkU9vJbh6JZuixnv4+NHxo0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf4xf1zIQiijCnzrg9ORxkhIF14BL0wtCSkUngqr/Xb4Hoohm2OKiV46T2iZfbx/7D+PJJyU/YkPRXSuGoPbKYE= X-Received: by 2002:a81:92c5:0:b0:370:4456:5cb5 with SMTP id j188-20020a8192c5000000b0037044565cb5mr6332232ywg.284.1668269762749; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 08:16:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <938D9D45-DADA-4291-BD8A-84E4257CEE49@apple.com> In-Reply-To: From: dan Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:15:51 -0700 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Robert_Chac=C3=B3n?= Cc: Dave Taht , libreqos Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000992cdb05ed485233" Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] Fwd: A quick report from the WISPA conference X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 16:16:03 -0000 --000000000000992cdb05ed485233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 9:09 AM Robert Chac=C3=B3n < robert.chacon@jackrabbitwireless.com> wrote: > > > Regarding TCP acceleration, I'm leaning toward the argument made by Dan > from Preseem that QUIC adoption i= s > growing pretty quickly and we may not want to mess with TCP at the expens= e > of UDP given the rise of QUIC. > Cloudlfare says HTTP/3 and QUIC are already at 28% and growing > . > One point he brought up is that if we use TCP acceleration, and a > middlebox has to be rebooted or something - all client TCP sessions will > break when OSPF switches paths around the box. > > > I'll buy that. TCP accelleration is a *TODAY* fix with a decreasing gain as time goes on. --000000000000992cdb05ed485233 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 9:09 AM Rober= t Chac=C3=B3n <r= obert.chacon@jackrabbitwireless.com> wrote:


Regarding TCP acceleration, I&= #39;m leaning toward the argument made by Dan from Preseem that QUIC adoption = is growing pretty quickly and we may not want to mess with TCP at the expen= se of UDP given the rise of QUIC.
Clou= dlfare says HTTP/3 and QUIC are already at 28% and growing.



<= div>I'll buy that.=C2=A0 TCP accelleration is a *TODAY* fix with a decr= easing=C2=A0gain as time goes on.=C2=A0
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