From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C9A63B29E for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 13:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com with SMTP id o70so11838177yba.7 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 10:46:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=4vfNg1LTSGHZsl9zu2x05KghwkUHs9EYBobokGk1vAc=; b=PyrD6vMctqmWVW0atB8xdFgsnYmjxOksMS9PlO/hk+c4/k9sLCUOelajpLPWD25M23 WiybjPNd1Z0fzY1U7wCmtywiK9d8zsEdiTwFhy5QkQk9uwZamVO6Clerf0/Pm61yHG0T wQmTGYxteiTFQs3y0ClRIYVYmm/aBT26rdAIyFHXgJgmgbVVVHv3N7ELue9jXKJuN4Vs L5XBr8TXvl1cayGjVTXJL63bGEWuzE77aA6DbJC+BQQdKeW2hAASKjBPUXts515uPKYL SVHr7FaXSIfo7zel5pS2tQ37WOMaTPcIFQ3P0qMcWVdwgA/0E3Nlhf3TJxOWVpvYoPIR +NMQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=4vfNg1LTSGHZsl9zu2x05KghwkUHs9EYBobokGk1vAc=; b=sXV7/VUvGTMUn44LLCWkzDqjT+skFiYKHHPh95I35HiCMLQBGVpUQLhQeJRWe51IdN EJQLx3BEd0GgtZFk6B+JYrEx9aQ00jhcVIDm/7wS+MjyPuygAqbUcClzWyEZ/SXG6S94 lJcnbOiSLoJLCheJrhha13SrERgq2U1S09/5A7r9gJxj42gWvhV6i07A+o+1uQb9H70C DAyNx7/3V3CcFe4/VkGmjpOHNLln1BMjXeVBFDG3QQYIbpLxfN8Jz5HGfGM71CVse5/4 hdiPv2epaXZXkZaPRahUgKklaTGVZObiBDEVm7YQ54V8gahqUTBmDxn+ZnLlKyXdjfLV 8dHQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf34+NCiFIDi+4je+zwGhSc/CYU8nst8ltSIr05Q5w5g9hbldOjl JS3Pwx9J/ulJbAKcudPPFJ7o36ObihPeEmqnyfS/lWlgEVk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM5Cp2ysORpslGgEB3DYhL7irX545pJdHhZS0bquM6FXk+WKPreElgstBXJK6IJisMYGEX8eARAEe4LD/xuQTms= X-Received: by 2002:a25:76c2:0:b0:6ca:6604:4928 with SMTP id r185-20020a2576c2000000b006ca66044928mr16135381ybc.323.1666633578448; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 10:46:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: dan Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2022 11:46:07 -0600 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Robert_Chac=C3=B3n?= , libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006a0eb205ebcb5e0a" Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] ookla speedtest results? X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2022 17:46:19 -0000 --0000000000006a0eb205ebcb5e0a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some sort of % drop is better than count from an operator's perspective. I'm actually happy with 'scaling issues' of % on small vs large plan because those small plans are the one's we probably want to push for upgrades if they're seeing a lot of drops. That said, a 'score' method works really well from a high level. And that can be proportionally adjusted so a slightly higher % in a small plan gives the same score as a larger plan would with fewer drops. Also, on the SNMP statement above, we had the same issue with preseem being hyper aggressive to pull stats. Some mikrotik versions have some snmp flaws and preseem can peg the CPU. Hasn't happened in a while but that was an issue. On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 11:42 AM Dave Taht wrote: > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 10:35 AM Robert Chac=C3=B3n > wrote: > > > > > Presently (in v1.3.), robert (in grafina?) is summing drops + marks. > > which is a good idea, however perhaps drops, marks and drops+marks > > would be better. > > > > Yup, in InfluxDB for the stats by Tin (diffserv4) we display true drops > as (trueDrops =3D ecn_mark + drops - ack_drops). But we don't do it by su= b > quite yet. > > And ok, drops, marks and drops+marks can be shown instead - by > subscriber or by Node (AP/Site). > > Dave - is it ok if we graph this data as a percentage of packets sent? > So for drops, drop / sent_packets ? I just imagine that would make > comparing different subscribers' connections easier. > > Drops and marks are proportional to the plan. You get a heck of a lot > more drops at 5mbits than 50, and the relationship > is not linear, closer to quadratic. > > So comparing customers at their given tiers makes more sense than > across the board. > > As for a percentage, you should see a clear difference in percentages > across tiers. > > I know I'm not quite answering your question well, I'm a big believer > in just getting lots of data, graphing it every which way, > and seeing what's useful. > > > Question for all - is having drops / marks/ drops+marks by > subscriber/circuit worth the extra modest InfluxDB CPU use? Or should we > just show those stats by AP/Node? > > If preseem currently offers such stats at a subscriber level we can do > the same, just wanna be sure I'm not overtaxing CPU. > > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 11:14 AM Dave Taht via LibreQoS < > libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> > >> Some of the context of my request for libreqos on vs off is from here, > >> presentation in the wee hours, wed morning. > >> > >> > https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6989281945868283904/ > >> > >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 9:48 AM dan via LibreQoS > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > we also have a bunch of 25/5. It would be nice to get some more > detailed numbers from ookla tests. > >> > >> +1! We've argued methods with many a provider, and ookla and samknows > >> are new to this game. > >> > >> As one example I don't know if they use decimal or binary mbits! > >> > >> ... > >> > >> ack-filtering in the libreqos case can and will drop acks in both > >> directions, due to the structure of how htb > >> works in this scenario, at any bandwidth ratio. I *think* it does very > >> little harm but I would use the ack-filter > >> not the aggressive ack filter out of caution. > >> > >> Secondly if you are gathering drop statistics from the higher level > >> htb categories, total drops will go WAY up, > >> and it is best to use the cake drop, ack_drop outputs statistics > directly. > >> > >> ack_drops have nothing to do with congestion control and should be > >> ignored in most cases. > >> > >> Also I keep hoping more will pull out ecn marks separately. Public use > >> is way up by e2e transports, and I worry that a high ecn ratio is a > >> e2e network error, which might show up as a big backlog. > >> > >> Presently (in v1.3.), robert (in grafina?) is summing drops + marks. > >> which is a good idea, however perhaps drops, marks and drops+marks > >> would be better. > >> > >> An inverse log scale is needed to plot marks, drops, and ack_drops. > >> > >> I'll always be of the opinion that it's best to run cake on egress at > >> the cpe, first, doing all this work before it hits the wire. > >> Are any of you doing that? Openwrt/dd-wrt/firewalla/mikrotik 7.2? > >> > >> >We also have a lot of Eero units out there, so watching for the eero > speed test would also be great. > >> > >> eero 5s have cake (and fq_codel on the wifi), eero 6s have a somewhat > >> buggy fq_codel offload: > >> > >> > https://www.reddit.com/r/eero/comments/u7xm83/gen_2_sqm_vs_gen_3_sqm_stic= k_with_gen_2_if_you/ > >> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 10:31 AM Herbert Wolverson via LibreQoS < > libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > sniff DNS for those speed test lookups and trigger a packet > capture for x duration? > >> >> > >> >> That's a good idea (I think there's a service somewhere for finding > speedtest > >> >> servers?). We're discussing testing the ack-filter feature right > now, and something > >> >> similar would work well for that. (We have a bunch of 25/5 and > similarly asymmetric > >> >> connections, in theory it'll help...) > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 10:31 AM dan via LibreQoS < > libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> sniff DNS for those speed test lookups and trigger a packet captur= e > for x duration? > >> >>> > >> >>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 9:27 AM Dave Taht > wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 8:20 AM dan wrote: > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > Dave, I think that 'bouncing' is more CPU time in the browser. > I don't think it's indicative over what's actually happening. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> A simultaneous packet capture and wireshark plot of the RTTs woul= d > >> >>>> also be helpful. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 9:09 AM Dave Taht via LibreQoS < > libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 8:02 AM Robert Chac=C3=B3n via LibreQo= S > >> >>>> >> wrote: > >> >>>> >> > > >> >>>> >> > I can run an Ookla test in the middle of the night with > LibreQoS off for a bit. > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> Groovy. > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > From what I recall - without Libre we see download bloat of > 300ms or so. With Libre, it's gone. On waveform we see 0ms added bloat ea= ch > direction for most clients. > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> The numbers report by speedtest bounce around a lot, and they > tend to > >> >>>> >> pick a lower number as a final result than I'd > >> >>>> >> like. If there's a way to capture a movie of it... > >> >>>> >> > > >> >>>> >> > And I like the "monitor only" mode idea. > >> >>>> >> > Perhaps we could create the HTB tree, but just not attach th= e > CAKE qdisc? > >> >>>> >> > Technically even HTB could reduce latency by itself on > overloaded APs , so it wouldn't be true passive monitoring, but it would > allow us to compare the before/after of CAKE while still having qdiscs we > can point cpumap-pping to. > >> >>>> >> > > >> >>>> >> > Alternatively, maybe we could use eBPF PPing just for this > passive monitoring period? > >> >>>> >> > > >> >>>> >> > > >> >>>> >> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 8:02 AM Herbert Wolverson via > LibreQoS wrote: > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> Are you looking for a shaped result? That'll show "whatever > bandwidth > >> >>>> >> >> is left on the sector" without Libre, and around the > customer's paid-for > >> >>>> >> >> target with Libre (hopefully!). > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> One thing Preseem does well is that their onboarding proces= s > includes > >> >>>> >> >> "leave it in monitoring-only mode" for a week, gathering > data before you > >> >>>> >> >> pull the switch (although most ISPs I've talked to just pul= l > the switch...) > >> >>>> >> >> It's quite enlightening to see a before/after, even with > only FQ_CODEL > >> >>>> >> >> as the shaper. > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> We could probably do something similar with a "monitor only= " > mode that > >> >>>> >> >> doesn't enable any queues (is there a TC equivalent to > "dummy" on > >> >>>> >> >> FreeBSD?). > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 8:52 AM Dave Taht via LibreQoS < > libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>>> >> >>> I am curious if anyone here has speedtest results with > libreqos on and > >> >>>> >> >>> off, and can send a screen shot? > >> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>>> >> >>> -- > >> >>>> >> >>> This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia > would work: > >> >>>> >> >>> > https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-698136666= 5607352320-FXtz > >> >>>> >> >>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >> >>>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> >> >>> LibreQoS mailing list > >> >>>> >> >>> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> >>>> >> >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> >> >> LibreQoS mailing list > >> >>>> >> >> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> >>>> >> >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos > >> >>>> >> > > >> >>>> >> > > >> >>>> >> > > >> >>>> >> > -- > >> >>>> >> > Robert Chac=C3=B3n > >> >>>> >> > CEO | JackRabbit Wireless LLC > >> >>>> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> >> > LibreQoS mailing list > >> >>>> >> > LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> >>>> >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> -- > >> >>>> >> This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would > work: > >> >>>> >> > https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-698136666= 5607352320-FXtz > >> >>>> >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> >> LibreQoS mailing list > >> >>>> >> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> >>>> >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work= : > >> >>>> > https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-698136666= 5607352320-FXtz > >> >>>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> LibreQoS mailing list > >> >>> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> LibreQoS mailing list > >> >> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > LibreQoS mailing list > >> > LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: > >> > https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-698136666= 5607352320-FXtz > >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > >> _______________________________________________ > >> LibreQoS mailing list > >> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos > > > > > > > > -- > > Robert Chac=C3=B3n > > CEO | JackRabbit Wireless LLC > > > > -- > This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: > > https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-698136666= 5607352320-FXtz > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > --0000000000006a0eb205ebcb5e0a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some sort of % drop is better than count from an operator&= #39;s perspective.=C2=A0 I'm actually happy with 'scaling issues= 9; of % on small vs large plan because those small plans are the one's = we probably want to push for upgrades if they're seeing a lot of drops.=

That said, a 'score' method works really well from a high l= evel.=C2=A0 And that can be proportionally adjusted so a slightly higher % = in a small plan gives the same score as a larger plan would with fewer drop= s.


Also, on the SNMP statement above, we had the same issue with= preseem being hyper aggressive=C2=A0to pull stats.=C2=A0 Some mikrotik ver= sions have some snmp flaws and preseem can peg the CPU.=C2=A0 Hasn't ha= ppened in a while but that was an issue.=C2=A0=C2=A0

On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at= 11:42 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gm= ail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 10:35 AM Robert Chac=C3=B3n
<robert.chacon@jackrabbitwireless.com> wrote:
>
> > Presently (in v1.3.), robert (in grafina?) is summing drops + mar= ks.
> which is a good idea, however perhaps drops, marks and drops+marks
> would be better.
>
> Yup, in InfluxDB for the stats by Tin (diffserv4) we display true drop= s as (trueDrops =3D ecn_mark + drops - ack_drops). But we don't do it b= y sub quite yet.
> And ok, drops, marks and drops+marks can be shown instead - by subscri= ber or by Node (AP/Site).
> Dave - is it ok if we graph this data as a percentage of packets sent?= So for drops, drop / sent_packets ? I just imagine that=C2=A0 would make c= omparing different subscribers' connections easier.

Drops and marks are proportional to the plan. You get a heck of a lot
more drops at 5mbits than 50, and the relationship
is not linear, closer to quadratic.

So comparing customers at their given tiers makes more sense than
across the board.

As for a percentage, you should see a clear difference in percentages
across tiers.

I know I'm not quite answering your question well, I'm a big believ= er
in just getting lots of data, graphing it every which way,
and seeing what's useful.

> Question for all - is having drops / marks/ drops+marks by subscriber/= circuit worth the extra modest InfluxDB CPU use? Or should we just show tho= se stats by AP/Node?
> If preseem currently offers such stats at a subscriber level we can do= the same, just wanna be sure I'm not overtaxing CPU.
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 11:14 AM Dave Taht via LibreQoS <libreqos@lists.bu= fferbloat.net> wrote:
>>
>> Some of the context of my request for libreqos on vs off is from h= ere,
>> presentation in the wee hours, wed morning.
>>
>> https://www.linked= in.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6989281945868283904/
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 9:48 AM dan via LibreQoS
>> <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > we also have a bunch of 25/5.=C2=A0 It would be nice to get s= ome more detailed numbers from ookla tests.
>>
>> +1! We've argued methods with many a provider, and ookla and s= amknows
>> are new to this game.
>>
>> As one example I don't know if they use decimal or binary mbit= s!
>>
>> ...
>>
>> ack-filtering in the libreqos case can and will drop acks in both<= br> >> directions, due to the structure of how htb
>> works in this scenario, at any bandwidth ratio. I *think* it does = very
>> little harm but I would use the ack-filter
>> not the aggressive ack filter out of caution.
>>
>> Secondly if you are gathering drop statistics from the higher leve= l
>> htb categories, total drops will go WAY up,
>> and it is best to use the cake drop, ack_drop outputs statistics d= irectly.
>>
>> ack_drops have nothing to do with congestion control and should be=
>> ignored in most cases.
>>
>> Also I keep hoping more will pull out ecn marks separately. Public= use
>> is way up by e2e transports, and I worry that a high ecn ratio is = a
>> e2e network error, which might show up as a big backlog.
>>
>> Presently (in v1.3.), robert (in grafina?) is summing drops + mark= s.
>> which is a good idea, however perhaps drops, marks and drops+marks=
>> would be better.
>>
>> An inverse log scale is needed to plot marks, drops, and ack_drops= .
>>
>> I'll always be of the opinion that it's best to run cake o= n egress at
>> the cpe, first, doing all this work before it hits the wire.
>> Are any of you doing that? Openwrt/dd-wrt/firewalla/mikrotik 7.2?<= br> >>
>> >We also have a lot of Eero units out there, so watching for th= e eero speed test would also be great.
>>
>> eero 5s have cake (and fq_codel on the wifi), eero 6s have a somew= hat
>> buggy fq_codel offload:
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/eero/comments/u7xm83/gen_2_sqm_vs_gen_3_sqm_stic= k_with_gen_2_if_you/
>> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 10:31 AM Herbert Wolverson via LibreQ= oS <= libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > sniff DNS for those speed test lookups and trigger a= packet capture for x duration?
>> >>
>> >> That's a good idea (I think there's a service som= ewhere for finding speedtest
>> >> servers?). We're discussing testing the ack-filter fe= ature right now, and something
>> >> similar would work well for that. (We have a bunch of 25/= 5 and similarly asymmetric
>> >> connections, in theory it'll help...)
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 10:31 AM dan via LibreQoS <libreqos@l= ists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> sniff DNS for those speed test lookups and trigger a = packet capture for x duration?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 9:27 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 8:20 AM dan <dandenson@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Dave, I think that 'bouncing' is mor= e CPU time in the browser.=C2=A0 I don't think it's indicative over= what's actually happening.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A simultaneous packet capture and wireshark plot = of the RTTs would
>> >>>> also be helpful.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 9:09 AM Dave Taht vi= a LibreQoS <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 8:02 AM Robert C= hac=C3=B3n via LibreQoS
>> >>>> >> <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrot= e:
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > I can run an Ookla test in the midd= le of the night with LibreQoS off for a bit.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Groovy.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> > From what I recall - without Libre = we see download bloat of 300ms or so. With Libre, it's gone. On wavefor= m we see 0ms added bloat each direction for most clients.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> The numbers report by speedtest bounce a= round a lot, and they tend to
>> >>>> >> pick a lower number as a final result th= an I'd
>> >>>> >> like. If there's a way to capture a = movie of it...
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > And I like the "monitor only&q= uot; mode idea.
>> >>>> >> > Perhaps we could create the HTB tre= e, but just not attach the CAKE qdisc?
>> >>>> >> > Technically even HTB could reduce l= atency by itself on overloaded APs , so it wouldn't be true passive mon= itoring, but it would allow us to compare the before/after of CAKE while st= ill having qdiscs we can point cpumap-pping to.
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > Alternatively, maybe we could use e= BPF PPing just for this passive monitoring period?
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 8:02 AM Her= bert Wolverson via LibreQoS <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> Are you looking for a shaped re= sult? That'll show "whatever bandwidth
>> >>>> >> >> is left on the sector" wit= hout Libre, and around the customer's paid-for
>> >>>> >> >> target with Libre (hopefully!).=
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> One thing Preseem does well is = that their onboarding process includes
>> >>>> >> >> "leave it in monitoring-on= ly mode" for a week, gathering data before you
>> >>>> >> >> pull the switch (although most = ISPs I've talked to just pull the switch...)
>> >>>> >> >> It's quite enlightening to = see a before/after, even with only FQ_CODEL
>> >>>> >> >> as the shaper.
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> We could probably do something = similar with a "monitor only" mode that
>> >>>> >> >> doesn't enable any queues (= is there a TC equivalent to "dummy" on
>> >>>> >> >> FreeBSD?).
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 8:52 AM= Dave Taht via LibreQoS <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> I am curious if anyone here= has speedtest results with libreqos on and
>> >>>> >> >>> off, and can send a screen = shot?
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> --
>> >>>> >> >>> This song goes out to all t= he folk that thought Stadia would work:
>> >>>> >> >>> https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_th= e-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz
>> >>>> >> >>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibr= e, LLC
>> >>>> >> >>> ___________________________= ____________________
>> >>>> >> >>> LibreQoS mailing list
>> >>>> >> >>> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net=
>> >>>> >> >>> https= ://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> _______________________________= ________________
>> >>>> >> >> LibreQoS mailing list
>> >>>> >> >> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> >>>> >> >> https://l= ists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > --
>> >>>> >> > Robert Chac=C3=B3n
>> >>>> >> > CEO | JackRabbit Wireless LLC
>> >>>> >> > ___________________________________= ____________
>> >>>> >> > LibreQoS mailing list
>> >>>> >> > LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> >>>> >> > https://lists= .bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> --
>> >>>> >> This song goes out to all the folk that = thought Stadia would work:
>> >>>> >> https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-so= ng-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz
>> >>>> >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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>> >>>> --
>> >>>> This song goes out to all the folk that thought S= tadia would work:
>> >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activi= ty-6981366665607352320-FXtz
>> >>>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>> >>>
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>> --
>> This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:=
>> htt= ps://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-69813666656073= 52320-FXtz
>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>> _______________________________________________
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> Robert Chac=C3=B3n
> CEO | JackRabbit Wireless LLC



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This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
https://www.= linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXt= z
Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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