From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yw1-x112b.google.com (mail-yw1-x112b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::112b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B76B23CB37 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 11:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-yw1-x112b.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-367b8adf788so111926027b3.2 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 08:56:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=MtH20XaUjUKWB0DmZJFU6ux18/JCupe/7MGo0BVhqZc=; b=KsYz93yVVe2erjXjU2nKW2FJUgEJdcNEq9x6Bao2caz8NsM6ocjlWJGhzP3ihmwI/f md4NP4+SyssL10ZSQXL+gNaH0CTccWlRmUx99uiLhl30R9Q0NMahiw0uapBn110FnESG lbMFdHQ3djY9zRMPWhkrUyFpz334MjhCEO+XUElswpg04Gc0u3cPwmeM2+SVY/2SkQvD jD+RpbP7ocHjY5PDOT0NieWpph4TjGW5xF8Q7OndAU50tt4X9S1ZsWiaQIXZMgrdAX7p TllGHOf4fTKnx5FUzKNyGoFxTLj27W0F9G4BQoI8JhKGWyPTilD1Q6R7Bcdg5bQlOsFs zo6g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=MtH20XaUjUKWB0DmZJFU6ux18/JCupe/7MGo0BVhqZc=; b=73Y7NpVKoH/WjcliLxcSZhmWTG1xgeC0ITK3vWVzWDqBNy+DCUpExNBVAKsyjeZ8Nr 4jfz1OTiqlVvUQnB0uBoQEI4aerRkYdd2ntrbEjkIP+jBq4tHpuO7eU9Nb5y6EcFKQ4J 0I8DK6jEkciULMI0vMxRUTGak/1bFDXN0lfJepCwy26C9fdDHiDO98DkF1fsVdYFgpwK lXlJ2w75WKRs9VYLgvVes5EhfBhUaiCkuX6AtIK/G05+A2BZq3Yyv2pUUFSNWzGz/oUI r8SSX5NQmhi3y4uAMb4SBo/kJXGjT84jI02rVuQgQGIGZyhfM0Dj/BLEG3tfu4Z52Q21 ubpQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0Gfhxduptv4VC1+S2BT7/r7RRvV/WT8CTuWK4dFViLiAUBI6Z8 ZKz0PZJQYMMUwMs+JN7YSqHNoAcogZyiRGlHsES87WE9sA8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7rgVaa26kpG4zyq+6M3jfsWHmZi2CaJjjV7U4C/eW9wMGa+kNYMptnTPHNUV7HGQsgm8W2zdG32yMoslEB5rw= X-Received: by 2002:a81:d341:0:b0:370:495f:98c4 with SMTP id d1-20020a81d341000000b00370495f98c4mr8892852ywl.320.1667231812988; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 08:56:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: dan Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 09:56:41 -0600 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: Herbert Wolverson , libreqos Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f8b43105ec56a74a" Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] Integration system, aka fun with graph theory X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:56:53 -0000 --000000000000f8b43105ec56a74a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 8:21 PM Dave Taht via LibreQoS < libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > How about the idea of "metaverse-ready" metrics, with one table that is > preseem-like and another that's > > blue = < 8ms > green = < 20ms > yellow = < 50ms > orange = < 70ms > red = > 70ms > These need configurable. There are a lot of wisps that would have everything orange/red. We're considering anything under 100ms good on the rural plans. Also keep in mind that if you're tracking latence via pping etc, then you need some buffer in there for the internet at large. <70ms to Amazon is one thing, they're very well connected, but <70ms to most of the internet isn't probably very realistic and would make most charts look like poop. --000000000000f8b43105ec56a74a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 8:21 PM Dave = Taht via LibreQoS <lib= reqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
How about the idea of &quo= t;metaverse-ready" metrics, with one table that is preseem-like and an= other that's

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These need configurable.=C2=A0 There are a lot of wisps that would have= everything orange/red.=C2=A0 We're considering anything under 100ms go= od on the rural plans.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Also keep in mind that if you're tra= cking latence via pping etc, then you need some buffer in there for the int= ernet at large.=C2=A0 <70ms to Amazon is one thing, they're very wel= l connected, but <70ms to most of the internet isn't probably very r= ealistic and would make most charts look like poop.=C2=A0
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