From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi1-x230.google.com (mail-oi1-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEF2E3CB44 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2023 12:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-oi1-x230.google.com with SMTP id s187so7666471oie.10 for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2023 09:05:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aterlo.com; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=e2249pS/XfKp//5H/iU5WPx9pcl45eFOBUhaw60gJmw=; b=tg1vMIVrrf6u6RNVjXPR2/B1e4yKFMoBC44RsWYTfHEJ9e1z0c2jb8iGyLtDyCna+5 D0c4pJ6fgzR4WjkCn+pFc5zSv0+lLuq2oIgr207ay/8uz7UgbkqHQPf8NXUjNreFdIoC q0yb/P8UWYq2cLLEdCO2KQtvirM6JDniYRULY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=e2249pS/XfKp//5H/iU5WPx9pcl45eFOBUhaw60gJmw=; b=BP2d0zMzch4d7Z0fOdI4EG2vX29d0zGKFPCjH34JNPnrw8sDCDqDWbed8NyZO3leKe Eo5DYvB4qNBuladTHWxA1BB7dFNuqZSI4DopITRaAQ2s38eZ/duI7dAF+DvZzOgpSp85 ca75bCT0S2zvUCGkZywsJGfDxIfe9eyynONkbmReVDfg6HILlN/8v4ooFoMOip+nII/d nkc/DitMS0YGFTCDyCkhky0mnp4Iq+hVgU1jVXBf1oGrhy/fP8kVa/Exv4vngHXdrxPX ppfjM7fog/r9K90LLv74cIOYKAU5b4c+DKFJUq9DHN8m/ggjc+tvlasRF/rEkIoIHvnw pO6A== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2koAaMUhqmP19vxG4C63oE8RoBFiQ3oplTQU7kTKtimN9EzhLc66 EaIuZNRpKb6cW6+j9+V7/UGbYGsLDI5uokNQJ99qDg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXv/A8EOdzE/dkB2p1+KbPLgEoQzrEVpWED4fj5TC62t7wv8ip2Udc3mdFnjYP8w55Y7mLDNU0veT6f7csTHkCc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:7ce:b0:35e:250d:abc1 with SMTP id f14-20020a05680807ce00b0035e250dabc1mr3184614oij.222.1673283905941; Mon, 09 Jan 2023 09:05:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1672786712.106922180@apps.rackspace.com> In-Reply-To: From: Jeremy Austin Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2023 12:04:55 -0500 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: "Livingood, Jason" , Rpm , "mike.reynolds@netforecast.com" , libreqos , "David P. Reed" , "starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d287dd05f1d7c4ba" Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] [Starlink] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2023 17:05:07 -0000 --000000000000d287dd05f1d7c4ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 10:26 AM Dave Taht via LibreQoS < libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > I > > 2) Few are actually testing within-stream latency > > If some kind of consensus can be generated around how latency under load should be reported, and bearing in mind that to date Preseem measures non-destructively, i.e., not generating synthetic flows, we would be happy to help by adding that analysis to our regular reporting. We have some FWA-specific latency numbers in our reports, but will be adding more granular reporting for other access tech as well. A single-dimension histogram isn't sufficient, IMO, but do we really need to teach everyone to read CFS? Maybe. -- Jeremy Austin Sr. Product Manager Preseem | Aterlo Networks preseem.com Book a Call: https://app.hubspot.com/meetings/jeremy548 Phone: 1-833-733-7336 x718 Email: jeremy@preseem.com Stay Connected with Newsletters & More: *https://preseem.com/stay-connected/* --000000000000d287dd05f1d7c4ba Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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2) Few are actually testing within-stream latency


If some kind of consensus can be = generated around how latency under load should be reported, and bearing in = mind that to date Preseem measures non-destructively, i.e., not generating = synthetic flows, we would be happy=C2=A0to help by adding that analysis to = our regular reporting.
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We have some FWA-specific= latency numbers in our reports, but will be adding more granular reporting= for other access tech as well. A single-dimension histogram isn't suff= icient, IMO, but do we really need to teach everyone to read CFS? Maybe.

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