re: *thoughts and feedback!*

your https://test.libreqos.com tests of [Single User Test] & [Virtual
Household Mode] both give yours truly bufferbloat grades of *A+ *

whereas the https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat test gives yours
truly a bufferbloat brade grade of *C*

https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=b13810f2-e999-4045-8e8b-ab3ab8b957c5

#1.) Why/What's the difference?

#2.) Who/Which one to believe¿

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On Sun, Jun 15, 2025 at 4:58 AM Frantisek Borsik via Starlink <
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> Hello to all,
>
> We're excited to announce the release of the *LibreQoS Bufferbloat Test*
> – an open-source bufferbloat testing solution designed specifically for
> ISPs and network operators to deploy for their customers.
>
> *Link*
> https://test.libreqos.com
>
> *What Makes This Different*
>
> While there are several bufferbloat testing tools available, this platform
> addresses a critical gap: ISP-deployable infrastructure that provides both
> traditional testing and realistic household simulation.
>
> As Dave Täht highlighted in his influential article "What's Wrong with
> Speed Tests" <https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/speedtests/>, traditional
> speed tests fail to measure what users actually experience. We tried to
> address Dave's points to make a better speed test that focuses on the
> metric that matters: latency under load in realistic usage scenarios.
>
> *Two Complementary Test Modes*
>
> *Single User Test Mode*
>
>    - Traditional sequential load testing (baseline → download → upload →
>    bidirectional)
>    - Measures working latency and jitter during each phase
>    - Familiar A+ to F grading based on latency under load increases
>    - Comparable to existing tools like DSLReports Speed Test and Waveform
>    Bufferbloat Test
>
>
> *Virtual Household Mode (The Innovation)*
>
> Process-isolated simulation of 4 concurrent users with authentic traffic
> patterns:
>
>    - Alex (Gaming): 1.5 Mbps constant, jitter-sensitive for competitive
>    gaming
>    - Sarah (Video Conference): 2.5 Mbps bidirectional, Teams simulation
>    with working latency monitoring
>    - Jake (Netflix HD): 25 Mbps bursts (1s on, 4s off), realistic
>    streaming patterns
>    - Computer (Background): Up to 200 Mbps continuous download, system
>    updates
>
>
> Real-world relevance: Tests latency under load when multiple family
> members are online simultaneously
>
> Advanced grading: Network fairness, jitter measurement, and per-user
> working latency analysis
>
> *Why (not only) ISPs Need This*
>
> *The traditional approach of sending customers to third-party speed test
> sites has limitations:*
>
>    - No control over test methodology or server placement
>    - Limited correlation with customer support tickets
>    - Generic results that don't reflect real-world usage patterns
>    - No integration with ISP operational systems
>
> *This platform enables (not only) ISPs to:*
>
>    - Host their own testing infrastructure with full control
>    - Integrate with support systems via telemetry APIs
>    - Provide customers with realistic household testing scenarios
>    - Correlate test results with network performance and customer
>    complaints
>
>
> *Open Source & Community*
>
> The entire platform is open source and available here:
> https://github.com/LibreQoE/bufferbloat_test
>
> We've designed this to be:
>
>    - Easy to deploy for (not only) ISPs of any size
>    - Scientifically meaningful in its measurement methodology
>    - Realistic in its simulation of actual household usage
>    - Integrable with existing ISP operational workflows
>
>
>
> *Community Feedback Requested*
> We'd love feedback from the bufferbloat.net community on:
>
>    - Test methodology: Are we measuring the right metrics?
>    - Grading thresholds: Do our A+ to F grades align with real-world
>    impact?
>    - Virtual household scenarios: What other realistic usage patterns
>    should we simulate?
>    - ISP adoption: What barriers exist for ISP deployment?
>
>
>
> *Technical Discussion*
> We'd welcome discussion about:
>
>    - Measurement accuracy for working latency and jitter in virtual
>    household mode
>    - Traffic pattern authenticity (gaming, video conferencing, streaming)
>    - Grading methodology for latency under load in complex multi-user
>    scenarios
>    - Integration approaches for ISP operational systems
>
>
> The platform represents our attempt to bridge the gap between academic
> bufferbloat research and practical ISP operations, building on the
> foundational work of researchers like Dave Täht and the broader bufferbloat
> community. We believe that widespread ISP deployment of proper bufferbloat
> testing infrastructure will ultimately benefit the entire internet
> ecosystem.
>
>
> *Looking forward to the community's thoughts and feedback!*
> Best regards,
>
> The LibreQoS Team
>
>
> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>
> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>
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>
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>
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>
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