From: Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io>
To: Robert McMahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
Cc: David Lang <david@lang.hm>,
Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
dan <dandenson@gmail.com>,
Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>,
Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com>,
libreqos <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] [Bloat] [Starlink] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2023 17:07:13 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALjsLJun5OTZUSoMbOxYT3mz3k85y2cY7jK2KTDLa44+M=3_NA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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Comcast's 6Gbps service is a niche product with probably <1000 customers.
It requires knowledge and persistence from the customer to actually get it
installed, a process that can take many months (It's basically MetroE). It
requires you to be within 1760ft of available fiber, with some limit on
install cost if trenching is required. In some cases, you may be able to
trench yourself, or cover some of the costs (usually thousands to tens of
thousands).
On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 5:04 PM Robert McMahon via Bloat <
bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> The primary cost is the optics. That's why they're p in sfp and pay go
>
> Bob
> On Mar 25, 2023, at 4:35 PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 25 Mar 2023, Robert McMahon via Bloat wrote:
>>
>> The fiber has basically infinite capacity.
>>>
>>
>> in theory, but once you start aggregating it and having to pay for equipment
>> that can handle the rates, your 'infinite capaicty' starts to run out really
>> fast.
>>
>> David Lang
>>
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[not found] ` <F4CA66DA-516C-438A-8D8A-5F172E5DFA75@cable.comcast.com>
2023-01-09 15:26 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Dave Taht
2023-01-09 17:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-09 17:04 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-01-09 18:33 ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 18:54 ` [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] " Livingood, Jason
2023-01-09 19:19 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 19:56 ` dan
2023-01-09 21:00 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 10:02 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 15:08 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Rpm] [EXTERNAL] " Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 15:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:06 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:19 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:12 ` [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-13 16:36 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 17:26 ` dan
2023-03-13 17:37 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 18:34 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:14 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 18:51 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 19:32 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 20:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 20:28 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 4:27 ` [LibreQoS] On FiWi rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 11:10 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] " Mike Puchol
2023-03-14 16:54 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:06 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:11 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-14 17:35 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:54 ` dan
2023-03-14 18:14 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 19:18 ` dan
2023-03-14 19:30 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-14 20:06 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 19:30 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 23:30 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Bloat] [Rpm] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 0:11 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-15 5:20 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 16:17 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Starlink] [Bloat] " Aaron Wood
2023-03-15 17:05 ` Bruce Perens
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2023-03-15 19:22 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-15 17:32 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Bloat] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 17:42 ` dan
2023-03-15 19:33 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-15 19:39 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Bloat] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-03-15 21:52 ` David Lang
2023-03-15 22:04 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-15 22:08 ` dan
2023-03-15 17:43 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-15 17:49 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 17:53 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Bloat] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-03-15 17:59 ` dan
2023-03-15 19:39 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 16:38 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " Dave Taht
2023-03-17 18:21 ` Mike Puchol
2023-03-17 19:01 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-17 19:19 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Starlink] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 20:37 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-17 20:57 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 22:50 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-18 18:18 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-18 19:57 ` dan
2023-03-18 20:40 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-19 10:26 ` Michael Richardson
2023-03-19 21:00 ` [LibreQoS] On metrics rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 0:26 ` dan
2023-03-20 3:03 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-20 20:46 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Starlink] On FiWi Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 21:28 ` dan
2023-03-20 21:38 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 22:02 ` [LibreQoS] On FiWi power envelope rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 23:47 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-21 0:10 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Rpm] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
2023-03-21 5:21 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-21 11:26 ` [LibreQoS] Annoyed at 5/1 Mbps Rich Brown
2023-03-21 12:31 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 12:53 ` Rich Brown
2023-03-21 17:22 ` dan
2023-03-21 19:04 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-23 18:23 ` dan
2023-03-21 12:29 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Rpm] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
2023-03-21 12:30 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 17:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:08 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:51 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-21 19:58 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 20:06 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] " David Lang
2023-03-25 19:39 ` [LibreQoS] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 20:09 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 20:47 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 20:15 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-25 20:43 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 21:08 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 22:04 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 22:50 ` dan
2023-03-25 23:21 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 23:35 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] [Starlink] " David Lang
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2023-03-28 20:37 ` David Lang
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2023-03-29 13:40 ` [LibreQoS] Enabling a production model Dave Taht
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2023-03-29 17:13 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] " David Lang
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2023-04-02 11:39 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-29 13:46 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Bloat] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-29 14:57 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-29 19:23 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-29 19:02 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-29 19:37 ` dan
2023-03-25 20:27 ` [LibreQoS] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 23:15 ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] On FiWi David Lang
2023-03-13 19:33 ` [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Rpm] [EXTERNAL] Re: Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA dan
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2023-03-13 21:02 ` [LibreQoS] When do you drop? Always! Dave Taht
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2023-03-13 16:09 ` Sebastian Moeller
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2023-01-11 21:46 ` Dick Roy
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2023-01-09 20:20 ` [LibreQoS] [Rpm] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
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