Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: "Robert Chacón" <robert.chacon@jackrabbitwireless.com>
To: dan <dandenson@gmail.com>
Cc: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>,
	libreqos <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] gamebench quote
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 16:16:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOZyJovi5PzZgqgkyBkM4+8wZonTuHZGV23wMNhh5pETCjnfJg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA_JP8XsEw+tn45VaiPK-LUQ-YCGzBNeyH5J8WQC9+ZX_Jb8Fw@mail.gmail.com>

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2735 bytes --]

Same here. We compete primarily against Charter Spectrum in the suburbs.
Gamers and twitch streamers switch to us frequently due to the high upload
bloat and jitter on Spectrum's network.
We made a page on our website <https://jackrabbitwireless.com/performance/>
that tries to educate prospective clients about latency and bloat. I added
the GameBench quote to it (thanks, Dave!)
Surprisingly, some people do read it and it helps ease their minds about
"speed" when they're used to being bombarded with messaging about needing
gigabit bandwidth.

> I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out
that latency is important :D

This! That and their inability to really do whole-home WiFi at scale helps
WISPs offer a true performance answer to cable internet.

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:56 PM dan via LibreQoS <
libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> This is definitely our focus.  We preach low latency first and better
> uploads second, downloads are a distant third.  We do have to advertise the
> faster speeds just to get into the conversation because Spectrum for
> example and now TDS are all about 1G or 2G services.  See my other email
> though, Spectrum's latency and jitter is garbage, TDS is actually worse
> than that to many services but I don't have a remote login to a TDS site at
> the moment.  I'm 15ms more from AWS Oregon on TDS than Spectrum, and I'm
> 20ms better than Spectrum on Lumen DIA.
>
> I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out
> that latency is important :D
>
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:52 PM Dave Taht via LibreQoS <
> libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.gamebench.net/network-performance-and-gamer-experience-the-us-edition/
>>
>> "Overall, the consistently reinforced takeaway is that latency has now
>> clearly overtaken broadband speed as the focus area for network
>> providers seeking to provide – and guarantee and commercially benefit
>> from – optimum experience in both online multiplayer and cloud
>> gaming."
>>
>> --
>> This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz
>> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>> _______________________________________________
>> LibreQoS mailing list
>> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos
>>
> _______________________________________________
> LibreQoS mailing list
> LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos
>


-- 
Robert Chacón
CEO | JackRabbit Wireless LLC <http://jackrabbitwireless.com>
Dev | LibreQoS.io

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4244 bytes --]

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-13 23:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-13 22:51 Dave Taht
2022-11-13 22:56 ` dan
2022-11-13 23:16   ` Robert Chacón [this message]
2022-11-13 23:20     ` dan
2022-11-13 23:23       ` Hayden Simon
2022-11-14  8:41     ` [LibreQoS] [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2022-11-14 22:18       ` MORTON JR., AL
2022-11-14 22:29         ` dan

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: https://lists.bufferbloat.net/postorius/lists/libreqos.lists.bufferbloat.net/

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=CAOZyJovi5PzZgqgkyBkM4+8wZonTuHZGV23wMNhh5pETCjnfJg@mail.gmail.com \
    --to=robert.chacon@jackrabbitwireless.com \
    --cc=bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net \
    --cc=dandenson@gmail.com \
    --cc=dave.taht@gmail.com \
    --cc=libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox