From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (unknown [66.167.227.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D494D3B29E; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 23:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-mobile (unknown [10.2.2.69]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DB917E907; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 20:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2023 20:03:01 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang To: dan cc: rjmcmahon , Rpm , Dave Taht via Starlink , Michael Richardson , libreqos , bloat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <3f45d2a0b6e46d7b2775fb801e805f93@rjmcmahon.com> <70F71290-C6CB-4D19-8A88-F0F17C0BDDA2@gmx.de> <5e0cd693c4749d128dbb48d6c1129071@rjmcmahon.com> <2ab2983d-6beb-49cb-8c35-e481cbfdc7a3@Spark> <8F56CCA3-61C4-475F-975D-99D851C6A7CF@gmx.de> <1d6c10c9a692bb3f2869fb1b40fa449a@rjmcmahon.com> <005d1e7e3e1d19bce308436e46a3ec5e@rjmcmahon.com> <569691b3e7dfc57bbf98c4fc168fc6cf@rjmcmahon.com> <2885829.1679221616@dyas> <0649f7dc2b6e7ca1634b675dc6f9d953@rjmcmahon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="===============0642055279415675534==" Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] [Starlink] On metrics X-BeenThere: libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Many ISPs need the kinds of quality shaping cake can do List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2023 03:03:03 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --===============0642055279415675534== Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > Consumers really need things like published performance specs so they can > assemble their needs like an a la carte menu. What do you do, what’s > important to you, what details support that need, and they need that in a > simple way. Like a little app that says “how many 1080p TVs or 4K TVs, > how many gaming consoles, do you take zoom calls or VoIP/phone calls. Do > you send large emails, videos, or pictures.” The problem is that these needs really are not that heavy. Among my ISP connections, I have a 8/1 dsl connection, even when I fail over to that, I can run my 4k tv + a couple other HD TVs + email (although it's at the ragged edge, trying to play 4k at 2x speed can hiccup, and zoom calls can stutter when large emails/downloads flow) realistically, any router can handle this speed, the question is if it has fq_codel/cake to keep the bulk loads from interfering with the other work. Even starlink roaming is higher performance than this :-) David Lang --===============0642055279415675534==--