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[74.104.184.84]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q200sm7312959qke.64.2017.05.14.17.10.40 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 14 May 2017 17:10:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Frits Riep" To: Cc: Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 20:10:39 -0400 Message-ID: <028001d2cd0f$afb27f40$0f177dc0$@riepnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdLNC61RvIzv9WCKQt+iJk8lpNNf2Q== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Make-wifi-fast Digest, Vol 26, Issue 2 - Thanks and question on whether the Make-wifi-fast code is in the Ubiquiti wireless implementation. X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 00:10:43 -0000 Rich, I'd like to thank and acknowledge the excellent work done by = yourself and all the technical contributors. I've been using and benefiting from the good work done on my routers = using fq-codel and cake as well, mostly on a TP-Link Archer C7 with = OpenWRT and LEDE builds, and that has worked well to control latency on = my internet connection. I've also been a fan of the Ubiquiti Unifi wireless products and have = used them at home and for many small business customers. I have noted = that they have implemented Airtime fairness and that is great. Per your note below stating some of the results, in particular I am = unclear on "- A few commercial products - notably IQrouter and Ubiquiti = - are shipping a good SQM implementation in their products" I do know = that Ubiquiti has implemented SQM in their routers, but I have not used = their routers, but I am very interested if the Unifi AP's have = implemented any Make-wifi-fast code, because I have not seen any = references to that in their release notes or in other sources. Also, = there do not appear to be any settings in their management interface to = enable or configure any SQM, fq-codel, or Cake configuration settings, = so I would think there is no Make-wifi-fast code in their current or = beta wireless implementations. They do have "Airtime Fairness" and = that has been great, but I do not know if that is due to using = Make-wifi-fast code, or their own implementation. I am interested in any insights you can provide on this, and also in = general whether any commercial products have or are planning to = implement Make-wifi-fast. It would be great to see this be = implemented in many commercial products so that this ultimately benefits = all end-users and becomes a marketing advantage for manufacturers to = help spur implementation. Thanks, Frits=20 -----Original Message----- From: Make-wifi-fast = [mailto:make-wifi-fast-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of = make-wifi-fast-request@lists.bufferbloat.net Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 12:00 PM To: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Make-wifi-fast Digest, Vol 26, Issue 2 Send Make-wifi-fast mailing list submissions to make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to make-wifi-fast-request@lists.bufferbloat.net You can reach the person managing the list at make-wifi-fast-owner@lists.bufferbloat.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than = "Re: Contents of Make-wifi-fast digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: fq_codel is *five* years old today (Rich Brown) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 08:31:57 -0400 From: Rich Brown To: "Richard E. Brown" Cc: bloat , cerowrt-devel , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, codel Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] fq_codel is *five* years old today Message-ID: <612E36A6-7FB8-4FBA-AC38-339DFC04AB47@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8 There have been so many improvements in so many ways... - Cake is the acknowledged winner in SQM - Make Wi-Fi Fast has removed a couple orders of magnitude of latency in = the Wi-Fi stack, and Airtime Fairness has eliminated the Wi-Fi Paradox. - All this is Implemented in LEDE, so it's available as a (somewhat) = straightforward install on hundreds of different kinds of routers. As a = side note, LEDE and OpenWrt are working toward a merger, with a = unification of the development efforts. - A few commercial products - notably IQrouter and Ubiquiti - are = shipping a good SQM implementation in their products.=20 Let's all take a moment and revel in solving some of the major = annoyances in networking. Best regards, Rich > On May 14, 2016, at 9:18 AM, Rich Brown = wrote: >=20 > Another year, further progress toward world domination (or at least,=20 > fixing the world's internet...) >=20 > - The team is working furiously on Making Wi-Fi Fast. This has = entailed lots of deep research into the behavior of Wi-Fi at low and = high loads, airtime fairness, wireless drivers, new hardware platforms = for testing. Lots more work ahead. >=20 > - We had a huge response (260 signers) to the Save Wi-Fi from the FCC = filing re: locking down OTS router firmware. >=20 > - We have officially declared the CeroWrt project to be dead. All its = interesting facilities have been subsumed into OpenWrt mainline code. >=20 > - The OpenWrt project has a fork - LEDE (http://lede-project.org) It = remains to be seen what effect this will have on our anti-Bufferbloat = effort. >=20 > - RIP: the original www.bufferbloat.net server. Hopefully someone can = pick up the pieces (even for historical purposes) as we re-deploy the = information to a new (non-Redmine) system. >=20 > What else happened this year? >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Rich >=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >> From: Rich Brown >> Subject: fq_codel is *three* years old today >> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:11:38 AM EDT >> To: bloat , cerowrt-devel=20 >> >> Cc: Justin Beech >>=20 >> Folks, >>=20 >> Today is the third anniversary of the announcement of a testable=20 >> fq_codel (see=20 >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/cerowrt-devel/2014-May/002984 >> .html et. seq.) >>=20 >> Here's (an approximation of) the state of the world: >>=20 >> - We didn't know it at the time, but we would be able to declare = victory on CeroWrt less than three months later with the 3.10.50-1 = build. Not only did that firmware reduce bufferbloat, but it showed that = DNSSEC and IPv6 could be implemented in "normal" home routers without = any kind of jiggery-pokery. Field reports at the end of 2014 showed that = build was very stable - we had lots of reports of 80 day uptimes, and a = high of ~140 days. >>=20 >> - fq_codel is installed a large and growing of places. It's available = off the shelf for OpenWrt in the SQM QoS package, the Linux kernel, = IPFire, DD-WRT, and other routers. >>=20 >> - "Bufferbloat" is entering the lexicon. People are speaking about it = >> in blogs and open literature as a known entity, not some voodoo=20 >> effect that's only a concern to crazy people. The writers don't=20 >> always get the description or symptoms right, but there is an=20 >> acknowledgement that something could be better in your home (and=20 >> everywhere) network connection. (See for example,=20 >> http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/tech-matters/2015/04/measure-your >> -bufferbloat-new-browser-based-tool-dslreports ) >>=20 >> - Speaking of which, the new DSLReports Speed Test has recently=20 >> stirred things up. Not only do we have an attractive tool that we can = >> recommend to friends, but people are getting a little hot under the=20 >> collar when they see the crummy performance of the router that they=20 >> just paid dearly for. See, for example,=20 >> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r30051856-Connectivity-Buffer-Bloat >>=20 >> - Now that we've shown that fq_codel conquers bufferbloat, we're = finding further optimizations. There's a lot of effort on cake, which = promises to bring higher speed processing, and looking into corner cases = that can be improved.=20 >>=20 >> - And of course, Dave T=C3=A4ht is taking on another big project: = "Making Wi-Fi Fast". >>=20 >> What else has happened in this year? >>=20 >> Best, >>=20 >> Rich >=20 ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Make-wifi-fast mailing list Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast ------------------------------ End of Make-wifi-fast Digest, Vol 26, Issue 2 *********************************************