From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
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Subject: [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Bloat] Re: [Cake] "Fi-Wi is a new forwarding plane for wireless" - Bob McMahon
Date: Tue, 19 May 2026 11:59:39 -0700 (MST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0oq1n88q-36qn-p6s7-699s-p4nr0440p950@ynat.uz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR11MB9524548A87F2BE54350F814DC7002@PH0PR11MB9524.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
On Tue, 19 May 2026, Livingood, Jason wrote:
>> You speak of fiber to the room, but that doesn't seem to be the trend that I
>> see. I see less interest in connections to rooms (fiber or copper), with
>> 'everyone will just use wifi', and reluctance to wire for the APs.
>
> In what country? The US? I think other countries are likely ahead of the US in
> wiring. In any case, I agree everyone wants to just use wireless but the
> in-home wireless environment is quite bad and is a key performance limiter for
> very nearly every home in the US. ISTM that Bob is exploring one way of trying
> to improve that. I do not believe it should be acceptable to us as
> technologists that the home network is such an intractable performance
> problem. ;-)
many other countries have older houses than the US, I'd be amazed if they had
newer wiring. (I could be wrong)
the reason home wifi is so bad is because there is no coordination between
the wifi in the diffeent houses/apartments. you don't need to tie all those
devices into a single network to solve that, and unless you do solve the
coordination problem, there is no way for you to make the rf environment better.
coordination may only be an 80% solution compared to this, but 80% is a lot.
David Lang
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-19 18:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-14 14:40 [Make-wifi-fast] "Fi-Wi is a new forwarding plane for wireless" - Bob McMahon Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-14 17:08 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Cake] " David Lang
2026-05-14 15:20 ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-14 19:38 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-14 19:55 ` David Lang
2026-05-15 11:11 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-15 13:57 ` David Lang
2026-05-15 14:18 ` David Lang
2026-05-15 15:17 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-19 13:52 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Re: [Bloat] " Livingood, Jason
2026-05-19 18:59 ` David Lang [this message]
2026-05-19 22:45 ` bob.mcmahon
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