From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x236.google.com (mail-wm0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 477513BA8E for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 13:43:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wm0-x236.google.com with SMTP id r196so9869697wmf.2 for ; Sun, 05 Nov 2017 10:43:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references :to; bh=qWaSAi9zVb4gSLfoV8sXaG6v7iEjITjpyk1NQ1qCG34=; b=DpR3tOggAw1X8YdxG9tFctK+vfQHOBY5T0zeyzEBzjsQkRhx3y18cD4+3rTJCS54FB BQUYUyzml8gq8YH/lpYliRKenucAL9oSPo3osvaGqS9VpgQ3yJQZ6SPCQ4g6S8XFQ3EX XCMo6L2cyzNqB8+90ynD9PSRIV9GyLLsqcfK2efQRxneG110NC05bXB7nJinTPweh8sn 5nDnYa1wInbeiz57/9zhjlhyI5ECcfC8Fz4cWDUOFxYw7YE/uwdFbKUJ1HIH5XSFJn3m miJfWtUDIxg3QVicHfmG6e/hhTirrdXvIVIXjHM5IdMge77T/AbKgz72jJwbMCGTsSYR pTrQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=qWaSAi9zVb4gSLfoV8sXaG6v7iEjITjpyk1NQ1qCG34=; b=uU0Hladfpmu5SQ8wiSLiA4wXg3ttWZDPQXg7mORwjjMoPCVJ+fJwoU90+TiZxjPvb2 CC7Cv3eVqCiWtknls6Zj2R8aa26sdl8ai784L2/Fmpiv4yVFxXR5MZN6Uxqtq5Ujhvf/ Nj36L5nC/uK4RkfxgvCsYgSZ+h2YN85inZLWcVeOMG7y1mPvuL2+7JdHvXcOVqYDWyCj mFy64SllHt61BzazNDm/PEXBtm8Uvv3WqbhkQh+5onvw4WRiWdLrHEvrpXqz5pB1M3e+ rotm/7M3Ws7cBFsuNnYA8hGbpIQG2/TmuxyuOeUMRp+BUt7/4G0ooNaKfMZLdXMrSsd9 Y+jQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7SXyrmLMMjiuJI0QPtgW8kNbHAhcBASuIoupYa1vcem3OoRWD8 qwUquCjGlw3lAop/RSvDzj4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+T+ro9GXahAerZmOR7uR2JPvgzo14x4yiMlGUr+kF80q+j//P1CbPSGEIp6+Mmbbhvsia+ksg== X-Received: by 10.28.125.139 with SMTP id y133mr3643013wmc.25.1509907381330; Sun, 05 Nov 2017 10:43:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.72.0.20] (h-1169.lbcfree.net. [185.99.119.68]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p28sm12250463wmf.2.2017.11.05.10.43.00 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Nov 2017 10:43:00 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_444626AA-13C4-4DAF-8F4F-C189D2399046" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Pete Heist In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 19:42:58 +0100 Cc: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-Id: <1442452F-518E-4DB2-852B-2ACA9CEBB869@gmail.com> References: <535CD0D7-CB3A-4C42-AB13-548313F9002A@gmail.com> <3FA33ADA-E5C8-4DD1-841E-3A8E558BAADC@gmail.com> <3D513EEE-348B-4770-9D65-3C5F1320540C@gmail.com> To: Jonathan Morton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Flent test hardware X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2017 18:43:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_444626AA-13C4-4DAF-8F4F-C189D2399046 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Nov 5, 2017, at 7:08 PM, Jonathan Morton = wrote: > I see you've specced them to have PicoPSUs and so on. That isn't = exactly the cheapest option, though it is very compact - which I know = from experience since my E-450 uses the same. Considering less compact = options may improve the price comparison. >=20 It's true, but also if I wanted to compare my builds to the ProLiant = fairly, they=E2=80=99d have to include 8GB of RAM. So I put up four more = builds, two with the cheapest case and PSU I could find on the same = site, and two with the same cheap case/PSU but also 8GB of RAM. The prices are all close enough for me to where I=E2=80=99d just want to = choose what=E2=80=99s best. The single-threaded performance of the = quad-core CPUs are naturally lower, which may affect something, somehow. = It would be nice to be able to try Flent tests on both without buying = both, but that=E2=80=99s how it is. Also, with any build it takes a little more time and there=E2=80=99s the = possibility of a compatibility problem vs buying something pre-tested = (lessons learned), but these builds do look pretty safe.= --Apple-Mail=_444626AA-13C4-4DAF-8F4F-C189D2399046 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Nov 5, 2017, at 7:08 PM, Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> wrote:

I see you've specced them to have PicoPSUs and so = on.  That isn't exactly the cheapest option, though it is very = compact - which I know from experience since my E-450 uses the = same.  Considering less compact options may improve the price = comparison.

It's true, but also if I wanted = to compare my builds to the ProLiant fairly, they=E2=80=99d have to = include 8GB of RAM. So I put up four more builds, two with the cheapest = case and PSU I could find on the same site, and two with the same cheap = case/PSU but also 8GB of RAM.

The prices are all close enough for me to where I=E2=80=99d = just want to choose what=E2=80=99s best. The single-threaded performance = of the quad-core CPUs are naturally lower, which may affect something, = somehow. It would be nice to be able to try Flent tests on both without = buying both, but that=E2=80=99s how it is.

Also, with any build it takes a little = more time and there=E2=80=99s the possibility of a compatibility problem = vs buying something pre-tested (lessons learned), but these builds do = look pretty safe.
= --Apple-Mail=_444626AA-13C4-4DAF-8F4F-C189D2399046--