From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp96.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp96.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.96]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 413073CB35 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 14:57:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=g001.emailsrvr.com; s=20190322-9u7zjiwi; t=1568833064; bh=exAy5rmf1u6AebXZZl5IWMaBr2k2ExJrEBuyQUc3tU8=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:From; b=UkxpILN/kb2jXUVq7Vc/ettqm7pF8MYNyVso7o7CmbDSVvO+44R5DnRsuno5C+IRP ebE4WSJXmPFbcK6AK4QJJuDnnLMZp5e1rChwGAuvTWzaSnntsVT35LfKO897bXehqm AoY+Vjpk+tSklHDD3W6RbTjtUBoa41oVdjUiXcgI= Received: from app8.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by smtp13.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EA60642A0; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 14:57:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: dpreed@deepplum.com Received: from app8.wa-webapps.iad3a (relay-webapps.rsapps.net [172.27.255.140]) by 0.0.0.0:25 (trex/5.7.12); Wed, 18 Sep 2019 14:57:44 -0400 Received: from deepplum.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by app8.wa-webapps.iad3a (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D3EE02AD; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 14:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by apps.rackspace.com (Authenticated sender: dpreed@deepplum.com, from: dpreed@deepplum.com) with HTTP; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 14:57:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: dpreed@deepplum.com Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 14:57:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "David P. Reed" To: "Dave Taht" Cc: "Make-Wifi-fast" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Type: plain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1568833063.87352305@apps.rackspace.com> X-Mailer: webmail/16.6.0-RC Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] 20 year anniversary of wifi X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 18:57:44 -0000 This is a strange, strange article. It focuses on the WECA as if that organ= ization really mattered (other than coming up with the name WiFi for an exi= sting widely used technology).=0A=0ANow I do understand the value of a cons= ortium as a market stabilization mechanism. And the products being develope= d as 802.11b needed some standardized choice of interoperable options (such= as a pragmatic definition of what an "access point" should support in term= s of association protocol options, of which there were *many* in the 802.11= b spec).=0A=0AAnd I do understand the value of a common branding (WiFi soon= replaced 802.11b which was what all of us hackers called it for a long tim= e). Again, a business thing.=0A=0ABut, 802.11a and 802.11b hardware was out= there and used long before WECA was created.=0A=0ASo, I find this "anniver= sary" quite strange. It seems to be an after-the-fact attempt to claim cred= it for an invention that was not actually done 50 years ago. It seems like = WIRED is being incredibly lazy, taking a press release from the WiFi allian= ce and printing it as if it were Factual.=0A=0ANote: the so-called 50th ann= iversary of the Internet is also a strange idea that's happening this fall.= The idea of "internetworking" did not get sorted out in 1969. Yes, the bir= th of ARPANET was arguably in 1969. But the idea of Internetworking came y= ears later. The original ARPANET was exciting for many reasons: packet netw= orking at scale, demonstrating that a network based on packets could deal w= ith outages in a decentralized way, ... But no, Virginia, the Internet was = not born when ARPANET was born. The Internet we have now was born in the mi= d 1970's, focusing on the problem of interoperation of diverse networks (no= t the ARPANET, which was deemed not suitable for internetworking.=0A=0AIt's= becoming very popular to revise history by convenient omission of facts th= at few remember anymore. This makes me sad, because I remember, and my memo= ries are being rewritten to satisfy the egos of companies and organizations= who seem to be uncomfortable with the idea that there were many diverse ro= ots of these technologies.=0A=0A=0AOn Monday, September 16, 2019 6:46pm, "D= ave Taht" said:=0A=0A> I remember experimenting with = "homeRF". I cannot remember for the life=0A> of me what it was like.=0A> = =0A> and to me, why wifi took off was that it had a strong investment by=0A= > apple AND heavy interest from the geek community, with a couple=0A> drive= rs that actually worked, and because of the coffee shop=0A> phenomenon....= =0A> =0A> Shure, everything else here was important, too:=0A> =0A> https://= www.wired.com/story/how-wi-fi-almost-didnt-happen/=0A> --=0A> =0A> Dave T= =C3=A4ht=0A> CTO, TekLibre, LLC=0A> http://www.teklibre.com=0A> Tel: 1-831-= 205-9740=0A> _______________________________________________=0A> Make-wifi-= fast mailing list=0A> Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net=0A> https://list= s.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast=0A