From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pg0-f43.google.com (mail-pg0-f43.google.com [74.125.83.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 901553BA8E; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id b11so11397258pgu.13; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:42:09 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:date:message-id:in-reply-to :references:user-agent:subject:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MZkfeSsITLLo+UkudMhor9bzu4514iqpVrswVky+X+8=; b=Jo8BfP1SzqmJV/IVB1SZwkQL4btm4Q+mFYEXktM5Ct+6dD4/c7oMXoXmH+RbFeqdsi crsCbuQ0GMJkljLtkmVgBgiYalvqAqXtTSyIme1TcTDAC0y2o0dP26QAToL5D9nqFqV7 MpsyGjqUEjVHZMknCLVb5fV65HrWFvWt0hIGGb59uj4OPO0CxJrHMXnIVWmXH+/ve8BZ fJhQvJSDeQvJiq4R25aisAwvjngeMMvrHukFTofvL+yzISbkyulVWhmyPBxtVXGqSbLB 15j77ZREOEcXvM+FC9JtZz0guuah1vgV01vxdoetB8Gs1YRDnw7AYdWbE5WfNazlQFxZ cpJQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKKOrbLcspQG/v/goErciUK5rcA4xGrT+LRUgIytsoBmCUXMdnD /HMSQqehZAGBejtLVQhfwHw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBou4OnTJrRj8DXIU+iPoxUfv0j4hUpP7AQEK73xG+ztMU7At9lwWqoxmIcHgvlCR2xQ0jz6Z0g== X-Received: by 10.99.9.133 with SMTP id 127mr972197pgj.16.1513014128534; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.128.28] ([52.119.118.163]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o5sm21560108pgv.49.2017.12.11.09.42.06 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:42:07 -0800 (PST) From: Simon Barber To: =?UTF-8?B?0JrQuNGA0LjQu9C7INCb0YPQutC+0L3QuNC9?= , =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= CC: , Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:42:05 -0800 Message-ID: <16046ab61c8.2786.e972a4f4d859b00521b2b659602cb2f9@superduper.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4D0E907C-E15D-437C-B6F7-FF348346D615@gmx.de> <7B92DF4D-B6B5-4A64-9E10-119DCA2D4A6F@ifi.uio.no> <1512037480.19682.10.camel@gmail.com> <6b494910-1373-afb0-5b93-99b725391fb3@gmail.com> <87wp2638yo.fsf@toke.dk> User-Agent: AquaMail/1.12.0-651 (build: 101200001) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] benefits of ack filtering X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:42:09 -0000 TLS works over TCP, so the TCP headers are not encrypted. Simon Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On December 11, 2017 8:17:47 AM Кирилл Луконин wrote: > As I noticed from the Meraki document: > > "FastACK also relies on packet inspection, and will not work when > payload is encrypted. However, in our networks, we do not currently > see an extensive use of encryption techniques like IPSec." > > But what about TLS ? > As for me, this technology will never work in most cases. > > > Best regards, > Lukonin Kirill. > > 2017-12-01 17:53 GMT+05:00 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen : >> Jan Ceuleers writes: >> >>> On 01/12/17 01:28, David Lang wrote: >>>> Stop thinking in terms of single-flow benchmarks and near idle >>>> 'upstream' paths. >>> >>> Nobody has said it so I will: on wifi-connected endpoints the upstream >>> acks also compete for airtime with the downstream flow. >> >> There's a related discussion going on over on the make-wifi-fast list >> related to the FastACK scheme proposed by Meraki at this year's IMC: >> >> https://conferences.sigcomm.org/imc/2017/papers/imc17-final203.pdf >> >> It basically turns link-layer ACKs into upstream TCP ACKs (and handles >> some of the corner cases resulting from this) and also seems to contain >> an ACK compression component. >> >> -Toke >> _______________________________________________ >> Make-wifi-fast mailing list >> Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast > > > > -- > Best Regards, > Lukonin Kirill > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat