From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>
Cc: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>,
Matt Mathis <mattmathis@google.com>,
Carlo Augusto Grazia <carloaugusto.grazia@unimore.it>,
Jamshid Mahdavi <jamshid@whatsapp.com>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] the future belongs to pacing
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 11:09:34 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200705110934.55bcfb43@hermes.lan> (raw)
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On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 13:43:27 -0400
Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> wrote:
> Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> wrote:
> > of the sending rate, no? BBRv2 as I understand it will happily run
> > roughshod over any true rfc3168 AQM on the path, I do not have the
> > numbers, but I am not fully convinced that typically the most
> > significant throttling on a CDN to end-user path happens still inside
> > the CDN's data center...
>
> That's an interesting claim. I'm in no position to defend or refute it.
>
> If it's true, though, it suggests some interesting solutions, because one can
> more easily establish trust relationships within the data-center.
>
> I'm specifically imagining a clock signal from the Top-of-Rack switch to the
> senders.
>
> Actually, it's not a clock, so much as a automotive style timing shaft
> running down through all the 1-U servers, with fine vernier adjustments :-)
> I'm also certain we've seen such technology before.
>
> --
> ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [
> ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [
> ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [
>
>
>
>
I keep wondering how BBR will respond to intermediaries that aggregate packets.
At higher speeds, won't packet trains happen and would it not get confused
by this? Or is its measurement interval long enough that it doesn't matter.
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Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-12-13 19:53 [Make-wifi-fast] IEEE 802.11n/ac Wireless Network Efficiency under different TCP Congestion Controls Dave Taht
2019-12-13 21:05 ` Carlo Augusto Grazia
2019-12-13 21:25 ` [Make-wifi-fast] the future belongs to pacing Dave Taht
2020-07-04 17:29 ` [Bloat] " Matt Mathis
[not found] ` <mailman.763.1593883755.24343.bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2020-07-04 17:52 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Daniel Sterling
2020-07-04 18:02 ` Jonathan Morton
2020-07-04 18:29 ` Sebastian Moeller
2020-07-05 6:10 ` Matt Mathis
2020-07-05 12:01 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Sebastian Moeller
2020-07-05 17:07 ` Matt Mathis
2020-07-05 17:29 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Sebastian Moeller
2020-07-05 17:43 ` Michael Richardson
2020-07-05 18:09 ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2020-07-05 18:13 ` Jonathan Morton
2020-07-05 23:06 ` Matt Mathis
2020-07-06 14:08 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Luca Muscariello
2020-07-06 14:14 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Daniel Sterling
2020-07-06 17:01 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-12-13 21:09 ` [Make-wifi-fast] IEEE 802.11n/ac Wireless Network Efficiency under different TCP Congestion Controls Holland, Jake
2019-12-13 21:18 ` Carlo Augusto Grazia
2019-12-13 23:06 ` Dave Taht
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