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From: Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>
To: Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	Bob McMahon <bob.mcmahon@broadcom.com>
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cake] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2021 20:03:38 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <22144.1628381018@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.2108021607160.810590@qynat-yncgbc>

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{cutting some of the lists}

David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
    > If you are going to setup a test environment for wifi, you need to include
    > the ability to make a fe cases that only happen with RF, not with wired
    > networks and are commonly overlooked

Also,

1) some 802.11g sender can't hear the 802.11b sender, so does not back off on
   using all the channels.

2) some 802.11g TV-over-wifi product intentionally does not back off, because
   that would break the TV signal.   This is happening 100m in the next
   household, and having a human (water bag) standing between the two
   households improves the situation.  So on each commercial break, the
   local wifi improves because the humans next door go to the washroom.

This means that the wifi speed/power selection gets all all confused,
several times per minute.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-08-08  0:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-01  0:12 [Make-wifi-fast] " Dave Taht
2021-07-02  1:16 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] " David P. Reed
2021-07-02  4:04   ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-02 16:11     ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Dick Roy
2021-07-02 17:07   ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Dave Taht
2021-07-02 23:28     ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-06 13:46       ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Ben Greear
2021-07-06 20:43         ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-06 21:24           ` Ben Greear
2021-07-06 22:05             ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-07 13:34               ` Ben Greear
2021-07-07 19:19                 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-08 19:38         ` David P. Reed
2021-07-08 22:51           ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-09  3:08           ` Leonard Kleinrock
2021-07-09 10:05             ` Luca Muscariello
2021-07-09 19:31               ` [Make-wifi-fast] Little's Law mea culpa, but not invalidating my main point David P. Reed
2021-07-09 20:24                 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-09 22:57                 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Holland, Jake
2021-07-09 23:37                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-07-09 23:01                 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Leonard Kleinrock
2021-07-09 23:56                   ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Jonathan Morton
2021-07-17 23:56                     ` Aaron Wood
2021-07-10 19:51                   ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Bob McMahon
2021-07-10 23:24                     ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 13:46                 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Livingood, Jason
2021-07-12 17:40                   ` David P. Reed
2021-07-12 18:21                     ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 18:38                       ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 19:07                       ` Ben Greear
2021-07-12 20:04                         ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 20:32                           ` Ben Greear
2021-07-12 20:36                             ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " David Lang
2021-07-12 20:50                               ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 20:42                             ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Bob McMahon
2021-07-13  7:14                             ` Amr Rizk
2021-07-13 17:07                               ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-13 17:49                                 ` David P. Reed
2021-07-14 18:37                                   ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-15  1:27                                     ` Holland, Jake
2021-07-16  0:34                                       ` Bob McMahon
     [not found]                                   ` <A5E35F34-A4D5-45B1-8E2D-E2F6DE988A1E@cs.ucla.edu>
2021-07-22 16:30                                     ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-13 17:22                               ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-17 23:29                             ` Aaron Wood
2021-07-18 19:06                               ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 21:54                           ` Jonathan Morton
2021-09-20  1:21                 ` Dave Taht
2021-09-20  4:00                   ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] " Valdis Klētnieks
2021-09-20  4:09                     ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] " David Lang
2021-09-20 21:30                       ` David P. Reed
2021-09-20 21:44                         ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " David P. Reed
2021-09-20 12:57                     ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] " Steve Crocker
2021-09-20 16:36                       ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " John Sager
2021-09-21  2:40                       ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Vint Cerf
2021-09-23 17:46                         ` Bob McMahon
2021-09-26 18:24                           ` David P. Reed
2021-09-26 19:40                             ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2021-10-22  0:51                             ` [Make-wifi-fast] TCP_NOTSENT_LOWAT applied to e2e TCP msg latency Bob McMahon
2021-10-26  3:11                               ` Stuart Cheshire
2021-10-26  4:24                                 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Eric Dumazet
2021-10-26 18:45                                   ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-26 23:23                                     ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-26 23:38                                       ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-27  1:12                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2021-10-27  3:45                                           ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-27  5:40                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2021-10-28 16:04                                             ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-29 21:16                                               ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-26  5:32                                 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Bob McMahon
2021-10-26 10:04                                   ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Bjørn Ivar Teigen
2021-10-26 17:23                                     ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-27 14:29                                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-08-02 22:59               ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board Bob McMahon
2021-08-02 23:16                 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " David Lang
2021-08-02 23:50                   ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-03  3:06                     ` David Lang
2021-08-02 23:55                   ` Ben Greear
2021-08-03  0:01                     ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-03  3:12                       ` David Lang
2021-08-03  3:23                         ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-03  4:30                           ` David Lang
2021-08-03  4:38                             ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-03  4:44                               ` David Lang
2021-08-03 16:01                                 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-08  4:35                             ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cake] " Dick Roy
2021-08-08  5:04                               ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-08  5:04                           ` Dick Roy
2021-08-08  5:07                             ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-10 14:10                           ` Rodney W. Grimes
2021-08-10 16:13                             ` Dick Roy
2021-08-10 17:06                               ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-10 17:56                                 ` Dick Roy
2021-08-10 18:11                                 ` Dick Roy
2021-08-10 19:21                                   ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-10 20:16                                     ` [Make-wifi-fast] Anhyone have a spare couple a hundred million ... Elon may need to start a go-fund-me page! Dick Roy
2021-08-10 20:33                                       ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Jeremy Austin
2021-08-10 20:44                                         ` David Lang
2021-08-10 22:54                                           ` Bob McMahon
2021-09-02 17:36                                   ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board David P. Reed
2021-09-03 14:35                                     ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Matt Mathis
2021-09-03 18:33                                       ` David P. Reed
2021-08-03  0:37                   ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Leonard Kleinrock
2021-08-03  1:24                     ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-08  5:07                       ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cake] " Dick Roy
2021-08-08  5:15                         ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-08 18:36                           ` Aaron Wood
2021-08-08 18:48                             ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Jonathan Morton
2021-08-08 19:58                               ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-08  4:20                     ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Dick Roy
2021-08-08  0:03                   ` Michael Richardson [this message]
2021-08-08  4:38                     ` Bob McMahon

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