From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk1-x72f.google.com (mail-qk1-x72f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 497A03B29D for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2024 08:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x72f.google.com with SMTP id af79cd13be357-79ef72bb8c8so127005885a.2 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2024 05:03:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1722254633; x=1722859433; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject:mime-version:from :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=IeU18Et3O8/W2wxXqsZ4mf67gMje7xsNOskRAkqmz4I=; b=Psp0Ex7i8sYAHqLhA5+C3OqMr/dO2iLfG86gA/mxUXiyHAVHy+3tFo/NrJgcQZk284 sb4tc1ZFId6PNDbBJhaAshzInEnQ1sCe9QedN0JCEPi92KSVhfZOpMaupVr0zHXWXC6y XIwGzf7ALlGDXx3tpts7TE4tIixxmWhFy3kRF5Uy0F/ii3xE27teKvVpqMiQRxgax4V/ gQE4Zuv+GaiI95L/FbwXbzNhbujZfFEcIZZEHjZrTd1KOPD85SWgMxxUkHZ0LDrX8yja q4YL+qNamFBuGkWbAopGPMt7Bh5XR/7/y0eSFpHe92iouuePbRspwKgMh/x7p3HcmVxo LuuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1722254633; x=1722859433; h=message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject:mime-version:from :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=IeU18Et3O8/W2wxXqsZ4mf67gMje7xsNOskRAkqmz4I=; b=vgMiFmSziS6Kr02izPCi7i60SENXpWbxltwFlz/3kpb4OcpOXCB1xszcKhu0o2u2CT 9s7J27LbnrqCmYsaASXQtFYVF1dVVVyKFPKfdGhvWmFimzohsm1i49q85Oco+83LUKl4 UlMpG6yiPwiFMZG6C6bt+HKhRwR2ZrOYt+oeyAS0eaIiP/5FunfyhkKMp5XJ8sZS2Wxw tZLiVAHgx2mZZEhTEYLycuQAzo1EzXjBKtO7QfJoOQIDBxR5vxKTzO7plIaxVGtNAnhN 99ujkBncIt1j7kWzn9KKRsGNHa+ZsjITus1aVKKxCnPXQje4v6nn7oUp1Y087M2VzeH3 2d/g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwRS61UE+c2MvU0TPyJbTbzexZUQ/srP0b8obd2qUyfDJdIOOO3 WcHgz1xli6Pg8YZ9EJO1mWxw/P996JIjk1ypV8mkJYSFpSd+iXOulc+5WQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IG7u2lm49liH8izzHccH59HhXqKwn1oe+ZTyA9ypheyNaV+RvxqmGvThJ7/kNmAhjg3qEnufQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:1aa7:b0:79e:f9c8:a223 with SMTP id af79cd13be357-7a1e522f758mr875194685a.6.1722254633353; Mon, 29 Jul 2024 05:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([198.55.239.10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id af79cd13be357-7a1d7395b60sm514799685a.21.2024.07.29.05.03.53 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Jul 2024 05:03:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B49AA7BB-701A-4A77-B7A1-A6B75BEBAF69" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.8\)) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 08:03:50 -0400 References: To: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <25576C4C-91D3-4050-82C8-49D1A6C417D8@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.8) Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] sophgo risc-v wifi6 chip X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 12:03:54 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B49AA7BB-701A-4A77-B7A1-A6B75BEBAF69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Jul 28, 2024, at 12:00 PM, = make-wifi-fast-request@lists.bufferbloat.net wrote: >=20 > Here, the solutions need to be in full transistors > (and very low power and very secure.) ... Wi-Fi doesn't need to be > managed by a complex workstation and 30+ years of software bloat. If I understand the argument, it's that we should have a pared-down = Wi-Fi chip that does exactly one thing, and does it well. It should = implement all the best practices (TXQs, ATF, AQL, etc.) to make it = (more) secure, deliver the best performance (speed & latency).=20 The fact that the algorithms are permanently welded into the silicon = doesn't really matter: in practice, "no one ever updates their Wi-Fi = drivers" in the bazillions of off-the-shelf routers on the market. They = might as well have a good implementation. Do I have that right? Thanks. Rich= --Apple-Mail=_B49AA7BB-701A-4A77-B7A1-A6B75BEBAF69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On Jul 28, 2024, at 12:00 PM, make-wifi-fast-request@lists.bufferbloat.net = wrote:

Here, the solutions need to be = in full transistors
(and very low power and very secure.) ... Wi-Fi doesn't need to = be
managed by a = complex workstation and 30+ years of software = bloat.

If = I understand the argument, it's that we should have a pared-down Wi-Fi = chip that does exactly one thing, and does it well. It should implement = all the best practices (TXQs, ATF, AQL, etc.) to make it (more) secure, = deliver the best performance (speed & latency). 

The fact that the = algorithms are permanently welded into the silicon doesn't really = matter: in practice, "no one ever updates their Wi-Fi drivers" in the = bazillions of off-the-shelf routers on the market. They might as well = have a good implementation.

Do I have that right? Thanks.

Rich
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