From: "Valdis Klētnieks" <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: "David P. Reed" <dpreed@deepplum.com>,
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net,
Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Leonard Kleinrock <lk@cs.ucla.edu>,
Bob McMahon <bob.mcmahon@broadcom.com>,
Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Luca Muscariello <muscariello@ieee.org>,
codel@lists.bufferbloat.net,
cerowrt-devel <cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Little's Law mea culpa, but not invalidating my main point
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 00:00:22 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <257851.1632110422@turing-police> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw5QyH4SqKT07hP+skijfimZ0GU=AgLJtkVOQGzKrAkazg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 18:21:56 -0700, Dave Taht said:
> what actually happens during a web page load,
I'm pretty sure that nobody actually understands that anymore, in any
more than handwaving levels.
I have a nice Chrome extension called IPvFoo that actually tracks the IP
addresses contacted during the load of the displayed page. I'll let you make
a guess as to how many unique IP addresses were contacted during a load
of https://www.cnn.com
...
...
...
145, at least half of which appeared to be analytics. And that's only the
hosts that were contacted by my laptop for HTTP, and doesn't count DNS, or
load-balancing front ends, or all the back-end boxes. As I commented over on
NANOG, we've gotten to a point similar to that of AT&T long distance, where 60%
of the effort of connecting a long distance phone call was the cost of
accounting and billing for the call.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-09-20 4:00 UTC|newest]
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2021-07-01 0:12 [Make-wifi-fast] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board Dave Taht
2021-07-02 1:16 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] " David P. Reed
2021-07-02 4:04 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-02 16:11 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Dick Roy
2021-07-02 17:07 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Dave Taht
2021-07-02 23:28 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-06 13:46 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Ben Greear
2021-07-06 20:43 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-06 21:24 ` Ben Greear
2021-07-06 22:05 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-07 13:34 ` Ben Greear
2021-07-07 19:19 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-08 19:38 ` David P. Reed
2021-07-08 22:51 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-09 3:08 ` Leonard Kleinrock
2021-07-09 10:05 ` Luca Muscariello
2021-07-09 19:31 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Little's Law mea culpa, but not invalidating my main point David P. Reed
2021-07-09 20:24 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-09 22:57 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Holland, Jake
2021-07-09 23:37 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-07-09 23:01 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Leonard Kleinrock
2021-07-09 23:56 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Jonathan Morton
2021-07-17 23:56 ` Aaron Wood
2021-07-10 19:51 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Bob McMahon
2021-07-10 23:24 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 13:46 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Livingood, Jason
2021-07-12 17:40 ` David P. Reed
2021-07-12 18:21 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 18:38 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 19:07 ` Ben Greear
2021-07-12 20:04 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 20:32 ` Ben Greear
2021-07-12 20:36 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " David Lang
2021-07-12 20:50 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 20:42 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Bob McMahon
2021-07-13 7:14 ` Amr Rizk
2021-07-13 17:07 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-13 17:49 ` David P. Reed
2021-07-14 18:37 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-15 1:27 ` Holland, Jake
2021-07-16 0:34 ` Bob McMahon
[not found] ` <A5E35F34-A4D5-45B1-8E2D-E2F6DE988A1E@cs.ucla.edu>
2021-07-22 16:30 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-13 17:22 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-17 23:29 ` Aaron Wood
2021-07-18 19:06 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 21:54 ` Jonathan Morton
2021-09-20 1:21 ` Dave Taht
2021-09-20 4:00 ` Valdis Klētnieks [this message]
2021-09-20 4:09 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] " David Lang
2021-09-20 21:30 ` David P. Reed
2021-09-20 21:44 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " David P. Reed
2021-09-20 12:57 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] " Steve Crocker
2021-09-20 16:36 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " John Sager
2021-09-21 2:40 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Vint Cerf
2021-09-23 17:46 ` Bob McMahon
2021-09-26 18:24 ` David P. Reed
2021-09-26 19:40 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2021-10-22 0:51 ` [Make-wifi-fast] TCP_NOTSENT_LOWAT applied to e2e TCP msg latency Bob McMahon
2021-10-26 3:11 ` Stuart Cheshire
2021-10-26 4:24 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Eric Dumazet
2021-10-26 18:45 ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-26 23:23 ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-26 23:38 ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-27 1:12 ` Eric Dumazet
2021-10-27 3:45 ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-27 5:40 ` Eric Dumazet
2021-10-28 16:04 ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-29 21:16 ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-26 5:32 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Bob McMahon
2021-10-26 10:04 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Bjørn Ivar Teigen
2021-10-26 17:23 ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-27 14:29 ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-08-02 22:59 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board Bob McMahon
2021-08-02 23:16 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " David Lang
2021-08-02 23:50 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-03 3:06 ` David Lang
2021-08-02 23:55 ` Ben Greear
2021-08-03 0:01 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-03 3:12 ` David Lang
2021-08-03 3:23 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-03 4:30 ` David Lang
2021-08-03 4:38 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-03 4:44 ` David Lang
2021-08-03 16:01 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-08 4:35 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cake] " Dick Roy
2021-08-08 5:04 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-08 5:04 ` Dick Roy
2021-08-08 5:07 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-10 14:10 ` Rodney W. Grimes
2021-08-10 16:13 ` Dick Roy
2021-08-10 17:06 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-10 17:56 ` Dick Roy
2021-08-10 18:11 ` Dick Roy
2021-08-10 19:21 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-10 20:16 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Anhyone have a spare couple a hundred million ... Elon may need to start a go-fund-me page! Dick Roy
2021-08-10 20:33 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Jeremy Austin
2021-08-10 20:44 ` David Lang
2021-08-10 22:54 ` Bob McMahon
2021-09-02 17:36 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board David P. Reed
2021-09-03 14:35 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Matt Mathis
2021-09-03 18:33 ` David P. Reed
2021-08-03 0:37 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Leonard Kleinrock
2021-08-03 1:24 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-08 5:07 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cake] " Dick Roy
2021-08-08 5:15 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-08 18:36 ` Aaron Wood
2021-08-08 18:48 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Jonathan Morton
2021-08-08 19:58 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-08 4:20 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Dick Roy
2021-08-08 0:03 ` Michael Richardson
2021-08-08 4:38 ` Bob McMahon
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