From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x22f.google.com (mail-wm0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC3DF3B29E for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 02:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id x12so3169720wmc.0 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 23:05:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eventide.io; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=H0eEfCAEa4m7cV/Wsd4FV1gKAsKs8TPO42gpdj6eJwU=; b=bwHTkXCg6VzFMnQt7ZWchcU+z6ZJ2FkoSK4azmyF0VaLU2WNeF0eF6i3pU/loZaZpA 7a+2/lMdYV19n3ZsYCScIxLbTrvANb6+94c1CUuttbYAUSicocFAnn0GiiCHMWcU7RAB Ga4/Qn2f4u8gAt0jbJ36Rv8k4pdtfBJ/SxdZO5OIfNkjRUIbWKXgVZDqwke3RytIJOfF Iw0Q9pxwXLnAB07h2hhLRu6vjuVsRfsGDYj5s1wGG+87gZ9EZ5UjFIFIR75kY5NXI4hi DSVtamr+Bq6/IwgbeeO8DuCvwZcT15PTZ6HJRwE5dSpG1pMrEB9rNR7r8oGOm2HIhbGU 3s3Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=H0eEfCAEa4m7cV/Wsd4FV1gKAsKs8TPO42gpdj6eJwU=; b=f2wctlnPNDm4H+V96fhScWThOhOFEGejM5J9xgnQkQrtkm8AB5/jFf4rp5FUvTkjtA 7oykN0D8o0jhNq0+TKoYbVxl4oDCmsFmY5Z3GhdwfMMSkDlKAAcrn5v413sGjyikFOzH d0cjyTIypcXIGtdjIl60flo7bhZJ8MHwjzHWr7Q/LPBnng+W4az+bUHGaIgwrd1is7iz BVM/x/colLJC0VNecYd+iPmZaGd52nxG0YT45WD/knfggg1XK+z3fAV0lQdeBn7CIMam U0z3om0cSEM+mcI2hLps3/8Oj6rx9+vuipfIsr+4W+NvsE921G1RonYIgogpYYebiKHT i7FQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tB3vHKZVOPYsH+ltmetUAe3aOsDVYryI7TcjV4C+FvQyLY1TIJj VR+Zh3zOSrZm3piIrPjiUsYDlA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx48TAoCw45Egwoi8QjTJdcfcMlzE8PpDepi17p12NWHYmjpjfu1keN77ivqfqoA+34L3LdPRcQ== X-Received: by 10.28.4.204 with SMTP id 195mr12738617wme.13.1524636336348; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 23:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tron.luk.eventide.io (h-1169.lbcfree.net. [185.193.85.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y101sm13871923wmh.10.2018.04.24.23.05.35 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 24 Apr 2018 23:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Pete Heist In-Reply-To: <878t9c70jd.fsf@toke.dk> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 08:05:34 +0200 Cc: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2CD4BD56-8529-4134-8702-B6B89C9ACD91@eventide.io> References: <66BDCA6E-D7C4-4E76-8591-8FDC35B09EA3@eventide.io> <871sf495vs.fsf@toke.dk> <87po2o7lwb.fsf@toke.dk> <1BA3CECA-8C05-4E94-9E2A-1AEA3C2F20B3@eventide.io> <87k1sw7jxj.fsf@toke.dk> <878t9c70jd.fsf@toke.dk> To: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] mesh deployment with ath9k driver changes X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 06:05:37 -0000 > On Apr 24, 2018, at 11:32 PM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen = wrote: >=20 > Yeah, with those signal rates, there's going to be quite some pause = when > the slow stations try to transmit something... :/ So then, when would bloat actually become a problem on this hardware? I = suppose you would need well-connected stations (maybe even just one or = two) with multiple competing flows. And for the AP to not be one of two = single channel repeaters with poorly connected stations, where = contention becomes a problem sooner than bloat. For starters, I=E2=80=99m going to try to hang one of the two repeaters = on the same channel off a separate gateway=E2=80=A6