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[185.99.119.68]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q7sm9449670wrg.97.2017.11.05.09.39.23 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Nov 2017 09:39:23 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3F474C34-A0EC-4DD4-8939-747850FC6E61" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Pete Heist In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 18:39:21 +0100 Cc: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-Id: <3D513EEE-348B-4770-9D65-3C5F1320540C@gmail.com> References: <535CD0D7-CB3A-4C42-AB13-548313F9002A@gmail.com> <3FA33ADA-E5C8-4DD1-841E-3A8E558BAADC@gmail.com> To: Jonathan Morton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Flent test hardware X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:39:25 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3F474C34-A0EC-4DD4-8939-747850FC6E61 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Nov 5, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Jonathan Morton = wrote: > If budget is a primary concern, there are a number of boards available = with the AM1 socket which is designed around low-power, low-cost APUs, = or even with an APU soldered to them. AMD are phasing that platform out = right now, but it's still available since there isn't a direct = replacement at the same price yet. >=20 > What you'll get here are the small "cat series" cores designed for = netbooks and game consoles, but a quad-core version remains pretty = cheap. My E-450 is an older, dual-core version of this and is capable = enough, like a slightly gimped C2D. >=20 > However, I haven't yet found one with anything other than a bog = standard Realtek NIC. They do have PCIe slots, so you can add a = discrete card. >=20 =46rom this info I spec=E2=80=99d out two builds and compared it with = the Proliant Microserver: = https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MVxGsreiGKNXhfkMIheNFrH_GVllFfiH9R= U5ws5l_aY/edit#gid=3D199471438 = You=E2=80=99re right, the toughest part with low-end hardware is finding = high quality and/or dual-port NICs, which is what seems to make the = Proliant a pretty good deal. Most hardware in this range has Realteks, = which might be ok, but I=E2=80=99m not convinced, so I added a dual port = Intel PRO/1000 to each of my two builds, which then makes their price a = bit higher than the Proliant. One advantage to the external PRO/1000 is that it supports PCIe x4 = whereas the BCM5720 that comes with the Proliant only supports PCIe x2, = so there=E2=80=99s a bit of a difference here, which I may or may not = notice. On the other hand, the BCM5720 supports hardware timestamping = whereas the Intel does not. I guess I should focus on the big picture here, either quad-core is = important vs dual-core or it isn=E2=80=99t, and either I can do my = testing with one box for both client and server or I need two. Neither = I=E2=80=99m entirely sure about, so I might end up ordering something = with the option to return so I can run some tests. Thanks again for the tips...= --Apple-Mail=_3F474C34-A0EC-4DD4-8939-747850FC6E61 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Nov 5, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> wrote:

If budget is a primary concern, there are a = number of boards available with the AM1 socket which is designed around = low-power, low-cost APUs, or even with an APU soldered to them.  = AMD are phasing that platform out right now, but it's still available = since there isn't a direct replacement at the same price yet.

What you'll get here are the small "cat series" = cores designed for netbooks and game consoles, but a quad-core version = remains pretty cheap.  My E-450 is an older, dual-core version of = this and is capable enough, like a slightly gimped C2D.

However, I haven't yet found one with anything other than a = bog standard Realtek NIC.  They do have PCIe slots, so you can add = a discrete card.

=46rom this info I spec=E2=80=99d out two = builds and compared it with the Proliant Microserver: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MVxGsreiGKNXhfkMIheNFrH= _GVllFfiH9RU5ws5l_aY/edit#gid=3D199471438

You=E2=80=99re right, the toughest part = with low-end hardware is finding high quality and/or dual-port NICs, = which is what seems to make the Proliant a pretty good deal. Most = hardware in this range has Realteks, which might be ok, but I=E2=80=99m = not convinced, so I added a dual port Intel PRO/1000 to each of my two = builds, which then makes their price a bit higher than the = Proliant.

One = advantage to the external PRO/1000 is that it supports PCIe x4 whereas = the BCM5720 that comes with the Proliant only supports PCIe x2, so = there=E2=80=99s a bit of a difference here, which I may or may not = notice. On the other hand, the BCM5720 supports hardware timestamping = whereas the Intel does not.

I guess I should focus on the big picture here, either = quad-core is important vs dual-core or it isn=E2=80=99t, and either I = can do my testing with one box for both client and server or I need two. = Neither I=E2=80=99m entirely sure about, so I might end up ordering = something with the option to return so I can run some tests.

Thanks again for the = tips...
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