From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x233.google.com (mail-lf0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 385A13B29E for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2018 07:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x233.google.com with SMTP id y20-v6so14267244lfy.0 for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 04:54:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=lQVEU4qwuAfebVuVlhAcmtgj8QK0dCRropdzyVpQ+TA=; b=JdNofEZVEdyWUvZG2er9aZT2bjkQRcHHPiZv4EHQKe8kZ9umDQ3DD4RDJMPLXQ3a55 1IKvc5F8pNogx0tRe3z50loxsr7/MpVVE6H67qYQdeRDHcpaTo691ZJG+JT8P4KNJU2K 9/Vi/opEcqv6SW9Q5Mo6LYWpmR/pGbcUc9AYNbKI4rY2B6slsGAjOKSvpf8m4k1ceZsC z+TBdygbjYOF+x+Dhj9aTCIVc64G/nkBDvtBTAPKVyzxLIPrhkWyxAPXPznxYVUtLCCo mScwOLPBVGq5XPppNPIyWdTdaADICca2zljGDNK0MUeN24UNi7Xc6UjqhFRXKVA1X9oP QuNA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=lQVEU4qwuAfebVuVlhAcmtgj8QK0dCRropdzyVpQ+TA=; b=RbmIMhFJfl2b2TroHDpH3VgjZmVZQHxEFNFOsm6FZZ/KozRWyH97GVYgj1rkrhFcO4 w4RQTLD23XsJgcn3zRuigjgt4w7kgjHbr1ihNKT9VpV+QYOf78Cuqq22urS2L31ZFXF9 b15U9yv7GOJP4Es9vtmeLBxc3qbW/MAjXc11WTjWXcjVKCk+Y+QpY/VhIj1TjHcs130S qd/r6gFshUa+jU73Hp/Ey1IwxhcLJKnBkcp2KPILWpzGF1In2C+CWTND1udETRqj9ReV UFB8SotLcNvSfXddbhwtLPQ3kjruMWDa7lNDPBh6evUKJsiG1zEc7ddr/Y7k3xXI576r 0MfA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E2NDmWjt+P0C10aIKLezIphG4CqkxoGUrWshc4VgZvecCcWEMon wOK4+Ql3szVAUSGObSDb+/I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKId/vX7Eax1X643cJ4XHKkieRKZ57cT9QhUl+GCVciUPIuynXBqgXzJKbepwgt9zTd0aHwgpA== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:61a:: with SMTP id 26-v6mr1275287ljg.91.1528372463134; Thu, 07 Jun 2018 04:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.239.216] (83-245-236-31-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.236.31]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s5-v6sm2980026ljh.9.2018.06.07.04.54.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Jun 2018 04:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 14:54:20 +0300 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <46B6A3E9-6070-4407-9672-A3BF9C649530@gmail.com> References: <87y3fsevrv.fsf@toke.dk> To: Pete Heist X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] I have no idea how this got published... X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 11:54:24 -0000 > On 7 Jun, 2018, at 1:38 pm, Pete Heist wrote: >=20 > Just after a quick read, I fail to see how just decreasing buffer = sizes is going to be =E2=80=9Cbetter=E2=80=9D. Better than just throwing = fq_codel on the wireless interface, maybe. Not even that. They're not testing it against fq_codel, only "dumb = oversized FIFO", plain Codel, plain PIE. They've completely missed out = any consideration of flow, host or station isolation. I can certainly see why Toke is annoyed. - Jonathan Morton