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From: Pete Heist <peteheist@gmail.com>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
Cc: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, cake@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Flent results for point-to-point Wi-Fi on LEDE/OM2P-HS available
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 08:51:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A8C8085-176B-49AD-8D23-3E17A8923652@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r337s9sl.fsf@toke.dk>

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> On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:44 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote:
> 
> Pete Heist <peteheist@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> I’ll mention one example I noticed of the kind of adjustment that
>> probably can’t be done from the qdisc layer today. On page 3 from
>> http://pollere.net/Pdfdocs/noteburstymacs.pdf:
>> 
>> "In addition to increasing the interval by the waiting delay s,
>> another adjustment might be useful for certain kinds of bursty MACs.
>> If the MAC is a request-and-grant type, as wifi in infrastructure
>> mode, cable modems and some satellite modems, the allocation of bytes
>> or packets that can be sent during each transmission slot is generally
>> known at the beginning of transmission and may vary for each
>> transmission slot. In that case, it MAY be useful to use that value
>> instead of the MTU value to reset first_above_time_."
> 
> Yeah, we've had this issue with CoDel when the per-station WiFi rate
> drops too low (this is a function of both signal quality and number of
> stations). As a temporary fix, I just fiddled with the target until
> CoDel stopped being too aggressive, but that is not a proper solution,
> and so has not been upstreamed. I'm planning to get back around to
> fixing that properly at some point... Problem is that it is not always
> the case that "the allocation of bytes or packets that can be sent
> during each transmission slot is generally known". For ath9k we could
> get at this information at dequeue time, but for ath10k, only the
> firmware knows ahead of time...
> 
> -Toke

Interesting, I hope there’s a solution. Here are the fixed MCS level results I saw yesterday:

http://www.drhleny.cz/bufferbloat/mcstmp/mcs_latency.png <http://www.drhleny.cz/bufferbloat/mcstmp/mcs_latency.png>

http://www.drhleny.cz/bufferbloat/mcstmp/mcs_throughput.png <http://www.drhleny.cz/bufferbloat/mcstmp/mcs_throughput.png>

in case anything can be seen in it related to this. I noticed that for the ath9k driver CoDel latency maxed out at 45 ms at around MCS 10, and didn’t get any higher down to MCS 8.

Overall, the CoDel / Cake algorithms seem to keep rrul latency much lower than sfq at lower bitrates, but the differences are smaller at higher bitrates. More results later...

Pete


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Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-30 21:21 Pete Heist
2017-01-30 21:44 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2017-01-30 22:48   ` Aaron Wood
2017-02-01 14:53     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2017-01-30 23:21   ` Dave Taht
2017-01-31 16:40     ` Pete Heist
2017-02-14  8:56     ` Pete Heist
2017-02-15 23:03       ` Dave Täht
2017-02-16  7:57         ` Pete Heist
2017-02-16  8:42           ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " Sebastian Moeller
2017-02-16  9:17             ` Pete Heist
2017-02-16 16:15               ` Aaron Wood
2017-02-16 16:21                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2017-02-16 16:51                   ` Pete Heist
2017-02-16 17:19                     ` Jonathan Morton
2017-02-16 19:05                       ` Pete Heist
2017-02-16 20:54                         ` Pete Heist
2017-02-16 21:03                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2017-02-17  7:53                         ` Pete Heist
2017-02-17  9:52                           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2017-02-19 15:25       ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Dave Taht
2017-01-31 15:52   ` Pete Heist
2017-02-01 14:48     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2017-02-02  8:25       ` Pete Heist
2017-02-07 11:57         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2017-02-08 15:26           ` Pete Heist
2017-02-08 16:11             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2017-02-08 16:35               ` Dave Taht
2017-02-08 17:10                 ` Dave Taht
2017-02-08 17:11                   ` Dave Taht
2017-02-09  8:35                 ` Pete Heist
2017-02-09  7:45               ` Pete Heist
2017-02-09 13:51                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2017-02-09 14:20                   ` Pete Heist
2017-02-09 14:44                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2017-02-10  7:51                       ` Pete Heist [this message]
2017-02-08 18:29             ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " John Yates
2017-01-30 23:55 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Dave Taht
2017-01-31 16:58   ` Pete Heist

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