From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x232.google.com (mail-lf0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 872AB3B260 for ; Fri, 6 May 2016 00:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x232.google.com with SMTP id m64so118517163lfd.1 for ; Thu, 05 May 2016 21:41:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=FUIm4uWin3atAHS7EEIi7CRh7+fCVsfVYj2r0DAc0XU=; b=AmtpJNqsI3f02uL9pSjR5rVocaGMQY96Cy9+mcLzEeVFFdkV8L7jyo+QHwLIdGNbmt L8uZkVcFirsAunayyLm9NOFSvaJSZemkVY32LqKSRbEwufdWeoj63+CuihHNK4PNEcv9 2ihwMwjXvn6bFMkZvr2gDvMZNRj/17eyWTuroXvy2rS2W/0vyvYuXpS8BnfBSSgFx3lh 343nYnh17mLQM68c7vdk7OsylaS7JZA3SMw3ehl1sVAobGBd3kYcrwPP3WjV3M5PVSmA unRIeruG+cXbRHz0yJMN/zQicfxPnfbVQ90JghOgi7qZV/kr28tHCKUE3PGA8PQf6WBC 8O8A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=FUIm4uWin3atAHS7EEIi7CRh7+fCVsfVYj2r0DAc0XU=; b=QB5vyFXuUuX/t/XQphz2ArpZQZL+HnggYV4ALV3UQjY5McFfjZ5JPiJZCYwn2dbEHt ev5Qo1gO8CvEVKfpOh3Ri4dBEMLAdcjOPgRsC20ulR7DrxW3c1L04VDNYn4OElNTQB5u HSoeB/VuSrJwgug9m6VPL2maE6CUojpHEcWOtgGEXdKvYoR6d40J3wDGWrj+GOcW11SU H0gE0WdPVGpUdwj2wp6gfaQ/orghh2nVQsvt0VRJW2qeEGyTFAe98Tt4Z9tGiodulIy0 xDXkOREV5ElG00pPe8sOf627V8Rb+yvRN8OXFm0JWliYxqcEoMOL678pYqoSGCX7nAnm txRQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWKIJHjmMapqLLzrNlt32gBewqr7E4oGL7W2X8gOp6dvx/PQhv0Gnick+HQlShuGQ== X-Received: by 10.25.37.135 with SMTP id l129mr9072830lfl.56.1462509680247; Thu, 05 May 2016 21:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass.home.chromatix.fi (87-93-84-153.bb.dnainternet.fi. [87.93.84.153]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 28sm2112587lfx.43.2016.05.05.21.41.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 May 2016 21:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 07:41:16 +0300 Cc: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5480FCFF-CC4C-4C72-9F5C-6BB1D55BFA0F@gmail.com> References: To: Aaron Wood X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] QoS and test setups X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2016 04:41:21 -0000 > On 6 May, 2016, at 05:08, Aaron Wood wrote: >=20 > There are a LOT of assumptions made when QoS systems based on marked = packets is used: >=20 > - That traffic X can starve others > - That traffic X is more/most important Cake tries to take a more nuanced approach than the above, though it is = designed for a wired link. However, there are many systems in the wild which do implement strict = priority. It is, after all, one of the easiest schemes to implement = within a single transmitter unit. - Jonathan Morton