From: Rajkumar Manoharan <rmanohar@codeaurora.org>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
Cc: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net,
Felix Fietkau <nbd@nbd.name>, Kan Yan <kyan@google.com>,
linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH RFC v4 1/4] mac80211: Add TXQ scheduling API
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:30:12 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5e2612cbd4ea9f560a63149c599f8587@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87efdq8rn0.fsf@toke.dk>
On 2018-09-18 13:41, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> Rajkumar Manoharan <rmanohar@codeaurora.org> writes:
>
>>>> Also an option to add the node at head or tail would be preferred.
>>>> If
>>>> return_txq adds node at head of list, then it is forcing the driver
>>>> to
>>>> serve same txq until it becomes empty. Also this will not allow the
>>>> driver to send N frames from each txqs.
>>>
>>> The whole point of this patch set is to move those kinds of decisions
>>> out of the driver and into mac80211. The airtime scheduler won't
>>> achieve
>>> fairness if it allows queues to be queued to the end of the rotation
>>> before its deficit turns negative. And obviously there's some lag in
>>> this since we're using after-the-fact airtime information.
>>>
>> Hmm.. As you know ath10k kind of doing fairness by serving fixed
>> frames
>> from each txq. This approach will be removed from ath10k.
>>
>>> For ath9k this has not really been a problem in my tests; if the lag
>>> turns out to be too great for ath10k (which I suppose is a
>>> possibility
>>> since we don't get airtime information on every TX-compl), I figure
>>> we
>>> can use the same estimated airtime value that is used for throttling
>>> the
>>> queues to adjust the deficit immediately...
>>>
>> Thats true. I am porting Kan's changes of airtime estimation for each
>> msdu for firmware that does not report airtime.
>
> Right. My thinking with this was that we could put the per-frame
> airtime
> estimation into ieee80211_tx_dequeue(), which could track the
> outstanding airtime and just return NULL if it goes over the threshold.
> I think this is fairly straight-forward to do on its own; the biggest
> problem is probably finding the space in the mac80211 cb?
>
> Is this what you are working on porting? Because then I'll wait for
> your
> patch rather than starting to write this code myself :)
>
Kind of.. something like below.
tx_dequeue(){
compute airtime_est from last_tx_rate
if (sta->airtime[ac].deficit < airtime_est)
return NULL;
dequeue skb and store airtime_est in cb
}
Unfortunately ath10k is not reporting last_tx_rate in tx_status(). So I
also applied this "ath10k: report tx rate using ieee80211_tx_status"
change.
> This mechanism on its own will get us the queue limiting and latency
> reduction goodness for firmwares with deep queues. And for that it can
> be completely independent of the airtime fairness scheduler, which can
> use the after-tx-compl airtime information to presumably get more
> accurate fairness which includes retransmissions etc.
>
> Now, we could *also* use the ahead-of-time airtime estimation for
> fairness; either just as a fallback for drivers that can't get actual
> airtime usage information for the hardware, or as an alternative in
> cases where it works better for other reasons. But I think that
> separating the two in the initial implementation makes more sense; that
> will make it easier to experiment with different combinations of the
> two.
>
> Does that make sense? :)
>
Completely agree. I was thinking of using this as fallback for devices
that does not report airtime but tx rate.
-Rajkumar
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-09-18 21:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-09-16 17:42 [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH RFC v4 0/4] Move TXQ scheduling into mac80211 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-16 17:42 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH RFC v4 2/4] cfg80211: Add airtime statistics and settings Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-16 17:42 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH RFC v4 1/4] mac80211: Add TXQ scheduling API Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-18 0:57 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-18 10:29 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-18 18:51 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-18 20:41 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-18 21:30 ` Rajkumar Manoharan [this message]
2018-09-19 9:09 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-19 14:43 ` Kalle Valo
2018-09-19 14:50 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-19 16:54 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-16 17:42 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH RFC v4 3/4] mac80211: Add airtime accounting and scheduling to TXQs Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-26 7:09 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-26 9:22 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-27 0:09 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-28 5:29 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-28 7:51 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-28 9:27 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-28 9:44 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-28 9:58 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-28 10:19 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-28 10:35 ` Jonathan Morton
2018-09-28 10:47 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-28 11:02 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-28 19:51 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-02 6:58 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-02 7:41 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-02 8:22 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-10-02 16:33 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-02 19:00 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-10-02 23:07 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-03 5:53 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-03 6:27 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-03 8:41 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-16 17:42 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH RFC v4 4/4] ath9k: Switch to mac80211 TXQ scheduling and airtime APIs Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-20 21:29 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH RFC v4 0/4] Move TXQ scheduling into mac80211 Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-21 12:41 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
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