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[73.249.47.51]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i75sm6202530qke.67.2017.05.14.05.31.57 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 14 May 2017 05:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Rich Brown In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 08:31:57 -0400 Cc: bloat , cerowrt-devel , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, codel Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <612E36A6-7FB8-4FBA-AC38-339DFC04AB47@gmail.com> References: <24D7CF8A-6FAE-47D8-A9EE-1C1B0734D1E6@gmail.com> To: "Richard E. Brown" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] fq_codel is *five* years old today X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 12:31:59 -0000 There have been so many improvements in so many ways... - Cake is the acknowledged winner in SQM - Make Wi-Fi Fast has removed a couple orders of magnitude of latency in = the Wi-Fi stack, and Airtime Fairness has eliminated the Wi-Fi Paradox. - All this is Implemented in LEDE, so it's available as a (somewhat) = straightforward install on hundreds of different kinds of routers. As a = side note, LEDE and OpenWrt are working toward a merger, with a = unification of the development efforts. - A few commercial products - notably IQrouter and Ubiquiti - are = shipping a good SQM implementation in their products.=20 Let's all take a moment and revel in solving some of the major = annoyances in networking. Best regards, Rich > On May 14, 2016, at 9:18 AM, Rich Brown = wrote: >=20 > Another year, further progress toward world domination (or at least, = fixing the world's internet...) >=20 > - The team is working furiously on Making Wi-Fi Fast. This has = entailed lots of deep research into the behavior of Wi-Fi at low and = high loads, airtime fairness, wireless drivers, new hardware platforms = for testing. Lots more work ahead. >=20 > - We had a huge response (260 signers) to the Save Wi-Fi from the FCC = filing re: locking down OTS router firmware. >=20 > - We have officially declared the CeroWrt project to be dead. All its = interesting facilities have been subsumed into OpenWrt mainline code. >=20 > - The OpenWrt project has a fork - LEDE (http://lede-project.org) It = remains to be seen what effect this will have on our anti-Bufferbloat = effort. >=20 > - RIP: the original www.bufferbloat.net server. Hopefully someone can = pick up the pieces (even for historical purposes) as we re-deploy the = information to a new (non-Redmine) system. >=20 > What else happened this year? >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Rich >=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >> From: Rich Brown >> Subject: fq_codel is *three* years old today >> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:11:38 AM EDT >> To: bloat , cerowrt-devel = >> Cc: Justin Beech >>=20 >> Folks, >>=20 >> Today is the third anniversary of the announcement of a testable = fq_codel (see = https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/cerowrt-devel/2014-May/002984.html= et. seq.) >>=20 >> Here's (an approximation of) the state of the world: >>=20 >> - We didn't know it at the time, but we would be able to declare = victory on CeroWrt less than three months later with the 3.10.50-1 = build. Not only did that firmware reduce bufferbloat, but it showed that = DNSSEC and IPv6 could be implemented in "normal" home routers without = any kind of jiggery-pokery. Field reports at the end of 2014 showed that = build was very stable - we had lots of reports of 80 day uptimes, and a = high of ~140 days. >>=20 >> - fq_codel is installed a large and growing of places. It's available = off the shelf for OpenWrt in the SQM QoS package, the Linux kernel, = IPFire, DD-WRT, and other routers. >>=20 >> - "Bufferbloat" is entering the lexicon. People are speaking about it = in blogs and open literature as a known entity, not some voodoo effect = that's only a concern to crazy people. The writers don't always get the = description or symptoms right, but there is an acknowledgement that = something could be better in your home (and everywhere) network = connection. (See for example, = http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/tech-matters/2015/04/measure-your-buff= erbloat-new-browser-based-tool-dslreports )=20 >>=20 >> - Speaking of which, the new DSLReports Speed Test has recently = stirred things up. Not only do we have an attractive tool that we can = recommend to friends, but people are getting a little hot under the = collar when they see the crummy performance of the router that they just = paid dearly for. See, for example, = http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r30051856-Connectivity-Buffer-Bloat >>=20 >> - Now that we've shown that fq_codel conquers bufferbloat, we're = finding further optimizations. There's a lot of effort on cake, which = promises to bring higher speed processing, and looking into corner cases = that can be improved.=20 >>=20 >> - And of course, Dave T=C3=A4ht is taking on another big project: = "Making Wi-Fi Fast". >>=20 >> What else has happened in this year? >>=20 >> Best, >>=20 >> Rich >=20