From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 401CB3B2BB; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 14:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hms-beagle.lan ([93.237.70.232]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Ledpu-1a33AU0yic-00qQwD; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:23:28 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: moeller0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:23:27 +0100 Cc: Wayne Workman , Jonathan Morton , bufferbloat-fcc-discuss , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <71500A99-4454-4157-9BFE-6F4C9BEA1F5E@gmx.de> References: <9BD140AE-D0FA-47B1-8BED-DE60E603F6E5@gmail.com> To: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:qW4ZDgw1BF1/3D0teHqRcw69YwDb15kg2xqIG4cnpw8Gj2Z1F+8 GETSDdhp7Z5YC5nkyekSLSNupeifg1csYHaLnbxDPRMdmchKBK6X22AVv15y0GCtiudw0BF IObc7vrSX2QgClTz2Xb9gZF+qAK+xkVcpvRCuPVlIzAHwffYXZF0TN4HORvb+DXXOvilfQR 0FxrrD/kur5EVfiVEFbBA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:QljSxW7UIRw=:fXBFXWa8RXuYWcjEs3WceH so97tfXxB67j+elv08YTnIuL7cjCLscSqGPawvM/G7Br/nk9w3e7nt2z500RWWOd3WijshVlv Y2F5HrtqAKHi/63hMcKVL5K5yo9qLab0oMHONmekLOxbgDmSF4nF+fC6iJcbPOIscpIjkQHB1 WST8Xh8/eat7pVvYojymodoFxU4S/IstkyLkHJU+awmkgTosvG7JqObotcDDPa1Zcg3JagJ4g saV26gn4PMxN1p3Tuc/9fJoJsSoAui7f9oBz5NERczHklSKD9jDIGiIhQU75Xkx3Q40ZvrPUF igYFuM6lPe7YU/SDlcYMOuI9EH1thkcw2f6eQjcCRv0z6Pp7RAyitNRvDliWj6/sx8t7hKjQ5 wRPGSY/mEjK8CKrPpHZya6ULFNQio6+IIKd767ddoncKZDSVDzgoM5vlDOZAf7MR5ApIcLHD4 z6V6w58/kfS3pKC4/5tBOk8UVwfrfSdms6UcHibDqXis7/Fn3z/PalRbu2VUWrKJuZgnx4UV+ I21d6oqp7orF0U80SOa9mxTPUyAnKejFJK6/SL+ur0bUj4+yySkJuw/JVwxMbC7MH9u4knLxF P0hqUVgU4weUdoe+xtBqRQ7M/22cj2SRfoLHyjDTx+CJ5OXjH48UwVdQhAbODDaAbdqgV/eOK SPbpiRep8LFJ71PuF0dq7BteaiwoZx9MOLHTZUrAxAitKoG6z4FoMHx+QuMrN8BaR8v5Xy7HU pqpAazpt68OXA/8QqcANFZBn1cZ/lCIND36fNCatnYqybPJGeDGt9Sqa7IFNLb+TyKNybi7hK 8KXGynw Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] [bufferbloat-fcc-discuss] arstechnica confirms tp-link router lockdown X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:23:30 -0000 > On Mar 13, 2016, at 18:48 , Dave Taht wrote: > [=E2=80=A6] > Currently hot is the idea of using an app to control the device, > rather than a web browser. eero is doing this, so are others. [=E2=80=A6] It is rather sad, that =E2=80=9Capps=E2=80=9D are the new browser = pages=E2=80=A6 I will take a shitty web interface over an app interface = most days. At least with the web interface I am reasonably certain that = at least the client interface (aka the browser) will keep getting = updates=E2=80=A6 But I guess I am turning into a relic rapidly=E2=80=A6 = Also I claim that neither app nor web interface will be able to hide all = the complexity inherent in setting up a home network unless they = restrict the user inappropriately Best Regards Sebastian=