From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from roobidoo.pudai.com (unknown [216.14.118.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADAD43B29E for ; Thu, 28 May 2020 10:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [71.219.88.243] (port=50915 helo=[10.168.3.101]) by roobidoo.pudai.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1jeJQ4-0004yt-Mu; Thu, 28 May 2020 09:22:04 -0500 Cc: Make-Wifi-fast To: Bob McMahon References: <4337569f-8df2-426f-013f-d9748f7695c1@smallnetbuilder.com> From: Tim Higgins Message-ID: <79267524-8f69-cca5-f0de-99f30b630f5a@smallnetbuilder.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 10:22:04 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 200527-0, 05/27/2020), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - roobidoo.pudai.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.bufferbloat.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - smallnetbuilder.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: roobidoo.pudai.com: authenticated_id: tim@timhiggins.com X-Authenticated-Sender: roobidoo.pudai.com: tim@timhiggins.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] REPOSTED: SmallNetBuilder Article: Does OFDMA really work? Part 2 X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 14:22:05 -0000 Hi Bob,

Thanks for the suggestions. The iper2 suggests are for UDP, correct?

As I said in the article, I'm done hunting this snark for now. Maybe others will take up the challenge.
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On 5/27/2020 1:16 PM, Bob McMahon wrote:
I would make a small packet run too. For iperf2 us= e -l 40 and -b 20000pps and vary the pps number. I would hope that OFDMA would increase this.=C2=A0

Also, don't forget=C2=A0about jitter - the derivative of latency.= Some protocols care more about jitter=C2=A0than they do latency. =

I'd look into measuring the actual=C2=A0latency and jitter of the= traffic vs using a ping as a proxy. This will be supported in iperf 2.0.14 using=C2=A0the write (server) side clock and --write-ack.=C2=A0 Better though is to synchronize the clocks and= use one way trip times. While I like to synchronize the realtime=C2=A0clocks to the GPS atomic clock as the reference, us= ing PTP and synchronizing=C2=A0to a common reference of any PC oscill= ator may be good enough. PTP stats will give you errors and corrections and per the corrections one can get an idea of the error.

Thanks=C2=A0for posting. I really don't think OFDMA is going to affect such large latencies in=C2=A0a noticeable manner. I think = it will be the ultra low latencies or near zero queuing that will matter.=C2=A0 For data center switches this is driven mostly by h= igh frequency traders. For WiFi it's going to be newer games with VR/AR. Those latencies are going to need to be very low compared to today's use cases.

my $0.02,

Bob

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:3= 7 AM Tim Higgins <tim@smallnetbuilder.com> wrote:
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= Tests have been redone and article is back up.
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Hi All,

This article uses the benchmark test described in Part 1 to test 6 Wi-Fi consumer routers. Results are not impressive.
https://www.sm= allnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-features/33223-does-ofdma-really-work= -part-2

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Tim
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