From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [45.145.95.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 309E83B2A4 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 06:23:32 -0500 (EST) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1704885810; bh=YC5jt8wTHGS5lFiLGPmBto4BGx/jPUEojWBTLejARCw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=Qpi2rxdU8CGe7BMgY7+GkNDTPWUdVmZNZSLZyn1+RegasDzI8jKhc+tssNiVvj+ul Z4SbV/Lh5GYU8Hl3/4n8HK+05/wttgwpIjq5P170p2A9iL+A0RvEV3ejz6zAsadXY7 h1gFfmhX3C0UcDQJ1QTDs26V96JjrHrN4+NYMCdu0RYCLsvPEFM6Ky37YfGIr98jcC N+fNinL3oGapTO7YWeMlFwguQTXl26dBMZ57pglrP3eBj7Fki/iQ5JT0+WK7CF5H5b q7rIQtbEnEtPQZXxTz5o4T2PT87PmLZ1HG/a6IVuh2GlDZ8UqhQDR6C1U5Akdi/y+2 WEraLbHC5ga2Q== To: Bob McMahon Cc: Dave Taht , Make-Wifi-fast In-Reply-To: References: <877cki4vxq.fsf@toke.dk> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 12:23:30 +0100 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <875y01xwi5.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] a cheer up tweet for y'all X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:23:32 -0000 Bob McMahon writes: > This approach is not going to work. Sun workstations as the forwarding > planes for WiFi doesn't work nor scale and is cost & power inefficient. The > WiFi forwarding plane needs to be all hardware and not based off of BSD. It > has to be like a port asic in an ethernet switch. No SoC. > > Ethernet NICs are targeting servers where the workstation/NIC model does > work. WiFi is never going to be the basis for cloud servers. Well, the original context of the question was "Linux WiFi drivers are terrible, what can we do about that", and, well, providing proper upstream drivers at HW launch is the way to solve that. And even so, every Linux-based CPE in existence is a contradiction of you assertion that software-based WiFi forwarding is "not going to work". On the contrary, the SOCs with proper open source drivers and support are the ones that work the best, because that means we can run OpenWrt on them instead of the vendor crapware that they ship with. -Toke